Spartancrest Posted March 22, 2021 Report Posted March 22, 2021 I have had a strange shaped guard for some time, jagged top and bottom in a repeated pattern. I later noticed a guard from the Sir Arthur H Church collection that had the same pattern with a protective ring over the edges. Today yet another with the same features has appeared for auction. Three very different guards but the same silhouette 'mountains'? I checked the Church example and found it is the exact size match for my guard? Different styles using the same design book perhaps? 1 Quote
MauroP Posted March 22, 2021 Report Posted March 22, 2021 Not shure if the same pattern is represented in the 2 Kanayama tsuba here below. Anyway the interpretation is far from staightforward, since the same pattern is described either as 桐紋 (kiri-mon - paulownia) or 杉 (sugi - Japanese cedar). 2 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted March 23, 2021 Report Posted March 23, 2021 Maybe instead of a 'hidden Christian' motif, could it be a 'hidden Hideyoshian' symbol, the 'kirimon' able to be explained away under the Tokugawa as 'sugi' or 'sanbon sugi'? 1 Quote
Spartancrest Posted March 24, 2021 Author Report Posted March 24, 2021 Mauro - you may be right about the similarity, there is one just listed almost the same as the ones you posted. https://www.jauce.com/auction/r477171399 the side design is lower than the ones above so it is a step further to have them even lower still, like the original post. I notice the small kogai -hitsu-ana is like your first image. Evolution of a design. Quote
ROKUJURO Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 Dale, couldn't it be that you TSUBA once also had that MIMI/ring? It does not look so balanced with its small diameter and the large NAKAGO-ANA. I could easily imagine your TSUBA having a ring. 2 Quote
Spartancrest Posted March 25, 2021 Author Report Posted March 25, 2021 Jean All things are possible, if it did have a ring or even a fukurin there is no evidence left, the sides are all the same patina and no file marks or chisel cuts. It's size is not small really 87.4 mm x 64.3 mm and 4 mm thick. I was interested in what the jagged profile represents - the 'shoami' example does fit with a mountain theme rather than kiri-mon but why would it be symmetrical ? All the other examples apart from the first post are not symmetrical top to bottom. Quote
ROKUJURO Posted March 25, 2021 Report Posted March 25, 2021 Dale, without a related scale, I would not have guessed your TSUBA to be that large! Then it was probably made that way! But with its pointed protrusions it is at least unusual, I think. The design looks like a mountain range to my eyes. 1 Quote
Spartancrest Posted March 26, 2021 Author Report Posted March 26, 2021 Barry you may be right - except no one seems to know what the view is - locally famous? 'Three Sisters' comes to mind, famous in NSW but not so much elsewhere. I am intrigued by my guard and others that I own, the sharp edges are not ideal for traditional Japanese clothing [ yes I know the tsuka was positioned out from the body but they must have caught on things occasionally ] Quote
MauroP Posted April 1, 2021 Report Posted April 1, 2021 Little to add on the merit of this topic, but just to remark the relativity of our judgement. The tsuba here below got a kanteisho as ko-Shōami (I can't understand why). Quote
Spartancrest Posted April 2, 2021 Author Report Posted April 2, 2021 Now that is a good thought, how wonderful to base a tsuba on the hamon of the sword itself! I wish I had the sword now! 1 Quote
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