Hardrada55 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Posted December 27, 2008 I recently received a short Japanese type sword with fuller which had the following tag tied to a red laminate scabbard. If anyone could help me I would be very grateful. There is no commercial use of this information. I do not even know if this is oriented correctly. Please forgive me if this is picture is too big or is oriented incorrectly. Many thanks.... Quote
Nobody Posted December 27, 2008 Report Posted December 27, 2008 富山縣中新川郡雄山町榎四四 (Toyama-ken, Naka-Niikawa-gun, Oyama-cho, Enoki 44) - address 有馬一雄 (Arima Kazuo) – owner’s name 則光 (Norimitsu) – maybe the mei of the sword, added later? Quote
hybridfiat Posted December 27, 2008 Report Posted December 27, 2008 Any chance of some pics of the sword? Quote
Hardrada55 Posted December 28, 2008 Author Report Posted December 28, 2008 Here are scans of the mei. Quote
John A Stuart Posted December 28, 2008 Report Posted December 28, 2008 Fairly hard to read but looks like 備州長船則光, Bishu Osafune Norimitsu. So the tag refers to Norimitsu as Koichi san said. John Quote
Brian Posted December 28, 2008 Report Posted December 28, 2008 Yep, I got that too. So someone added it to remind themselves of what the mei says without having to remove the tsuka. There were a bunch of them that signed that way, so not sure which one it is. Brian Quote
John A Stuart Posted December 28, 2008 Report Posted December 28, 2008 It is dated in the Onin era so may be NOR166 (20pts). John Quote
Brian Posted December 28, 2008 Report Posted December 28, 2008 That's what dial-up gets you. One pic loads and you are grateful, and think it's finished :D Thanks John, missed the other pic. So possibly mid 1400's if not gimei. That first kanji of Onin looks a bit haphazard? Brian Quote
Hardrada55 Posted December 28, 2008 Author Report Posted December 28, 2008 John, To what does "Nor166 20 pts" refer? Thanks Quote
John A Stuart Posted December 28, 2008 Report Posted December 28, 2008 A little. What is interesting is the upper mekugiana is huge as compared to the more normally sized two. Maybe the owner could show the whole sword. Why the spacing on what appears to be an ubu tang? Machiokuri? John It is a reference number to the particular smith. Found in Hawley's ID system. John Quote
Bazza Posted December 28, 2008 Report Posted December 28, 2008 Hardrada (?) - the nakago looks like it has had a hard time. The colour and appearance suggest to me that it has been cleaned with a proprietary rust cleaner, one with phosphoric acid that converts the rust to a phosphate??? Regards Barry Thomas. Quote
Hardrada55 Posted December 28, 2008 Author Report Posted December 28, 2008 We will post pictures of the whole sword soon. EDIT: Here are pictures. Barry, I have not touched the thing. I just got it. This is, as it was when it came into my hands. An attempt to show the hamon. Quote
Jacques Posted December 28, 2008 Report Posted December 28, 2008 Hi, There was a Norimitsu (and not Nagamistu as i firstly said. :? thanks John for correcting) who had a long career which started in Bun'an 1444 untill Bunmei 1469/1487. Some oshigata, the last mei shows a gassaku (joined work) with Katsumitsu in Onin Gannen (1467). Quote
John A Stuart Posted December 28, 2008 Report Posted December 28, 2008 I don't understand Jacques, the bottom scan shows a gassakumei of Katsumitsu and Norimitsu. What does the reference to Nagamitsu mean? John Quote
Bazza Posted December 28, 2008 Report Posted December 28, 2008 We will post pictures of the whole sword soon. EDIT: Here are pictures. Barry, I have not touched the thing. I just got it. This is, as it was when it came into my hands. OK - I notice better colour in your recent set. Could be a white balance issue. Nice to see a lacquered saya. The hi going into the koshinogi suggests Koto as well. Regards, Barry Thomas. Quote
pcfarrar Posted December 29, 2008 Report Posted December 29, 2008 A little. What is interesting is the upper mekugiana is huge as compared to the more normally sized two. Are large mekugi-ana a feature of Koto Bizen swords? I notice in the examples Jacques posted they have similar sized large mekugi-ana. I also have a Bizen Munemitsu katana with the a large mekugi-ana in the same position as this Norimitsu. Quote
Jean Posted December 29, 2008 Report Posted December 29, 2008 Peter, By no means, it depends on the nakago close-up pictures (katana or wakizashi/tanto). If you are referring to Walt's sword, the biggest mekugi ana is not the original one. http://www.aoi-art.com/sword/katana/06222.html As you can see, it is far from being a feature ... Quote
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