jeremy Posted March 15, 2021 Report Posted March 15, 2021 Im trying to figure out how popular 1cm or less sori swords were back in the day by the bushi? Were they more symbolic like the fukkoto type swords or did some bushi actually prefer using swords with shallow sori? Tried googling this with not much information found . Thanks! Jeremy Quote
Geraint Posted March 15, 2021 Report Posted March 15, 2021 Dear Jeremy. Apart from the very early chokuto the orthodoxy is that swords with such shallow sori, assuming they are ubu, developed during early to mid Shinto as a response to changing demands in time of relative peace and the rise of schools of swordsmanship using shinae. In this context they re not symbolic but associated with a style of swordsmanship. As you suggest the sugata was revived at various times subsequently, including the so called royalist swords of the Shinshinto period. Once again this was connected to swordsmanship rather than being symbolic, the political allegiance of the domain where the style was popular leads to the connection. Sori alone is not a reliable guide to period as other factors in the shape of the blade are significant; kissaki, taper and so on. I am not sure that any of this answers your question but I am sure that others will add to this. All the best. 1 Quote
jeremy Posted March 15, 2021 Author Report Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Geraint said: Dear Jeremy. Apart from the very early chokuto the orthodoxy is that swords with such shallow sori, assuming they are ubu, developed during early to mid Shinto as a response to changing demands in time of relative peace and the rise of schools of swordsmanship using shinae. In this context they re not symbolic but associated with a style of swordsmanship. As you suggest the sugata was revived at various times subsequently, including the so called royalist swords of the Shinshinto period. Once again this was connected to swordsmanship rather than being symbolic, the political allegiance of the domain where the style was popular leads to the connection. Sori alone is not a reliable guide to period as other factors in the shape of the blade are significant; kissaki, taper and so on. I am not sure that any of this answers your question but I am sure that others will add to this. All the best. Thanks for your reply. It does answer my question actually. By shinae, I'm assuming you meant shiai/ duel type matches ? Quote
Geraint Posted March 15, 2021 Report Posted March 15, 2021 Hi Jeremy. Glad it worked, by shinae I meant the bamboo swords used for kendo, much straighter, hence if you practise with that you need a similarly shaped katana, or o the theory goes. All the best. 1 Quote
Dave R Posted March 16, 2021 Report Posted March 16, 2021 I had read that one reason for the change in shape was to aid a faster draw which was characteristic of of certain schools and techniques. Quote
Jwrussell Posted March 16, 2021 Report Posted March 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Dave R said: I had read that one reason for the change in shape was to aid a faster draw which was characteristic of of certain schools and techniques. Seems counter-intuitive to me...in fact I thought the "original" wider sori was supposed to aid in a fast draw... Quote
Jacques Posted March 16, 2021 Report Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 5:40 PM, Geraint said: Hi Jeremy. Glad it worked, by shinae I meant the bamboo swords used for kendo, Which is called shinai 竹刀 1 Quote
Ooitame Posted March 16, 2021 Report Posted March 16, 2021 I have examined a few cut test swords, and it appears most have a shallow sori. Has anyone else noticed a similarity on cut tests and the type with respect to sori? Quote
Jwrussell Posted March 16, 2021 Report Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Ooitame said: I have examined a few cut test swords, and it appears most have a shallow sori. Has anyone else noticed a similarity on cut tests and the type with respect to sori? Could that have more to do with the time during which cut tests were “popular” and the existing trends on Sori of the time? 1 Quote
jeremy Posted March 18, 2021 Author Report Posted March 18, 2021 On 3/17/2021 at 12:39 AM, Dave R said: I had read that one reason for the change in shape was to aid a faster draw which was characteristic of of certain schools and techniques. Interesting point.. Quote
John A Stuart Posted March 18, 2021 Report Posted March 18, 2021 I have to second that point. Sori is based on the purpose, style and convention of the time. A weapon used ahorse would certainly have different characteristics than one used afoot. Too in armour must blows are received as bludgeons rather than sweeping slashes. Different tools for different jobs in essence. John Quote
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