Spartancrest Posted October 22, 2024 Report Posted October 22, 2024 On 10/21/2024 at 12:19 PM, Kantaro said: Is it just me Expand It is just YOU. No there are some "spectacular" fakes getting about [But this is not one of them!]- the production techniques are improving all the time - I don't envy future generations at all. Is there such a thing as "Deepfake tsuba"? 1 Quote
Kantaro Posted October 23, 2024 Report Posted October 23, 2024 On 10/22/2024 at 1:26 AM, Spartancrest said: It is just YOU. No there are some "spectacular" fakes getting about [But this is not one of them!]- the production techniques are improving all the time - I don't envy future generations at all. Is there such a thing as "Deepfake tsuba"? Expand If the fake Tsuba are getting spectacular I even do not want to think about the papers... Quote
Matsunoki Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 A papered example!!! https://www.ebay.com/itm/276913371769?itmmeta=01JPHAMPW3RX3QWHTF3649PFKY&hash=item407952ba79:g:IJYAAOSwb1FnxAju 1 2 Quote
Infinite_Wisdumb Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 7:37 AM, Matsunoki said: A papered example!!! https://www.ebay.com/itm/276913371769?itmmeta=01JPHAMPW3RX3QWHTF3649PFKY&hash=item407952ba79:g:IJYAAOSwb1FnxAju Expand Terrible. Papered to “Mino”. If that’s worthy of preservation, than anything is. 2 Quote
Jesta Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 I’m going to call “suss” on this… If you look at the image in the papers, there are definite differences between the picture and the tsuba offered. I can’t see the picture of the papers clearly enough to see more, but the top and bottom of the nagako-ana seem sufficiently different to call this into question. Do people fake papers as well as tsuba? 1 Quote
Matsunoki Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 10:35 AM, Jesta said: Do people fake papers as well as tsuba? Expand I do believe so but this seller is usually trustworthy….I’m not accusing him of anything but yes Justin, you’ve got a point there, well spotted. But could be that the nakago ana has simply been enlarged…..it does look that way especially at the mune end. 1 Quote
Lewis B Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Papers are from 1973 so the Tsuba could have been altered for a fitting within the last 50 years. 1 Quote
Jesta Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 (No accusation intended against the seller, but possible that the papers came from another piece, and got married to this one at some point?) I tried an overlay between the picture of the tsuba and the picture on the papers, and they mostly match up. There are other apparent differences, but they could be due to the poor quality of the photo on the papers. When I do an overlay in Photoshop it does look like the nagako-ana has been enlarged at the bottom, so you may well be right. I am surprised that anyone would do this in this day and age to an antique, but there you go… 1 Quote
Jesta Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 If you look at this comparison, these are the things I noticed: 1. The top of the pine appears to be closer in the papers’ picture. 2. The area above the man’s head appears to be concave in the papers’ picture, and convex in the tsuba. 3. There are missing ribbons/leaves/something in the papers’ picture. 4. The end of the saya is missing in the papers’ picture. 5. The man has something on his chest in the papers’ picture, which he doesn’t seem to have on the tsuba. All of them could be artefacts of the photography in both pics, but they would be enough for me to feel very unconvinced that the picture in the papers and the tsuba itself were one and the same… Given that the Nagoya-mono were apparently mass-produced could it be a very similar design married up to a set of papers at some point in its past? 2 1 Quote
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