Ebay swords

[ilikesword]

Hello,

 

I have a question about these 2 swords on ebay.

 

the first is signed AKAMASTU TARO and the second is signed MINAMOTO MORIYOSHI.

 

Does anyone know about these 2 smiths? I have noticed how similar the 2 are as far as the shape and temperline.

 

It almost looks like they were made by the same smith or school.

 

Would appreciate any info on the smiths and as to why so similar in work.

 

sword 1 ebay #130272861236

http://cgi.ebay.com/Japanese-Samurai-Sw ... dZViewItem

 

sword 2 ebay#130273159082

http://cgi.ebay.com/Japanese-Samurai-Sw ... dZViewItem

 

 

Thank You

[Kajihei]

Hi all,

 

I've seen o-kissaki pieces by both Akamatsu Taro Kanetsugu and Minamoto Moriyoshi.

 

Here are some examples.

 

By Akamatsu Taro:

 

http://samurai-nippon.net/457/

 

 

By Moriyoshi:

 

http://www.samuraisword.com/nihontodisp ... /index.htm

 

 

I don't know if they belong to the same swordsmith school. My feeling is that both works are responding to the school of market capitalism. O-kissaki pieces are popular and they sell better than ordinary conservative pieces. This is my humble personal opinion, and I apologize in advance if I've offended Moriyoshi or Akamatsu Taro aficionados.

 

Kaji

[ilikesword]

Thanks for the reply Kajihei!!!

 

Yeah, I guess it's the old "supply & demand" thing. Or what ever makes the$$$$

 

It's almost like Ford's Crown Victoria and Mercury's Grand Marquis. 2 different car co.

 

but the same car!!

 

 

 

THX!!!

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

 

I think this seller is very well-patronized, a Kotetsu, a Shinkai, a Rai Kunimitsu, an Awataguchi Tadatsuna . All verily Soshin?

[Brian]

I think Komonjo is Historian's consigment account. I suspect these are mainly swords consigned from Japan. He has a good customer base and has a good reputation. I expect anyone buying will know that older papers run some risk if resubmitted, although the swords are lovely pieces anyways. They are priced accordingly from what i can see. With new papers they would be far higher than these prices. You are getting what you see, and I see that personal inspection is welcome. You could do a lot worse, but bear in mind that old papers can be unreliable in some cases.

 

Brian

[45blues]

Hi all, some gents here may remember my newbie mistake with Mr. Yamaguchi, aka Komonjo on Ebay. He'd taken care of my mistake very professionally,

also refund process was fast, didn't cost me for anything.

BTW, i've won 2swords from his auction recently. since i'm living in southern CA so we've arranged the local pick up, i've visited his place and picked up the swords by myself.

Of course Mr.Yamaguchi had gladly given me a chance to see another swords on his Ebay acution, He also said EXACTLY same thing with what Brian just said about papers.

now i'm very happy with my purchase, Mr. Yamaguchi is absolutely a straightshooter IMHO.

 

CJ

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

I'm wondering how many blades Gassan Sadaichi (national treasure) made for the Boston Museum

 

 

Mei: BOSTON BIJUTSUKAN NI OITE TAIA GASSAN MINAMOTO SADAICHI HORI DOSAKU

GODAI SADATOSHI SADANAO SADAFUSA SADA ICHIMON HOSHI

(nakago mune) SHOWA ROKUJUSAN NEN SAN GATSU KICHI JITSU

[ilikesword]

Thanks for your comments! Much appreciated!!! And educational!!!

 

Brian,

What is it about the "old" papers that make the swords suspect? (sorry if this Q has been answered before. Newbie here.)

 

 

Thanks!!!

 

Edwin

[Brian]

Edwin,

As I understand it, it is not that the swords are suspect. It is just that the papers were issued so long ago, that times have changed..research has been done and there has been a lot more information shared. This leads to better appraisal and methods of veriification. Many of the old papers have had their results changed on resubmitting, and the newer papers are generallt regarded as more reliable in their shoshin/gimei calls. Perhaps things weren't as thorough, or there were different procedures, but older papers are not as reliable. This is not to say every old paper will be wrong, just that there is a higher percentage of erroneous calls which are changed at subesquent shinsas. Have I got that right?

 

Regards,

Brian

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

it is not that the swords are suspect.

 

Effectively, the Kotetsu or The Shinkai are not "suspect" for everyone who has the smallest knowledge possible.

[Brian]

Jacques,

I was not talking about these particular swords, Ii was refering to swords in general with old papers.

ie: When talking about swords with old papers, it is not that all the swords are particularly suspect...it is the papers that need to be verified.

I make no claims about these swords except that if they were very reliable papers, they would have been subsequently resubmitted for new papers before selling. However the seller does rely on the buyers having some basic knowledge of Nihonto obviously and hasn't guaranteed the mei as he often does. Logic is necessary.

 

Brian

[Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini]

If you ask, he honestly say the papers are not reliable and suggest to have the Mei removed and re-submit for shinsa.

Prices alone should ring a bell in any half-brained mind.