Is this a good blade, how much is it worth?

[lopas]

Hi, i want to buy this blade, but i don't know if it is original Edo and i wonder about how much is it worth?

could u help me, please?

 

http://allegro.pl/item474127842_japonsk ... yunin.html

 

Is it somehow unique or whatever (worth buying)?

[Guest nickn]

fatal flaws

keep away

[paulb]

Perhaps one of the administrators could comment but wasnt it an early rule of the board that members should not comment on ebay sales while live?

 

rgeards

paulb

[lopas]

  paulb said:

Perhaps one of the administrators could comment but wasnt it an early rule of the board that members should not comment on ebay sales while live?

 

rgeards

paulb

 

1. could you find where in this link is word "ebay" ?

2. this rule was probably made for those who are going to get the chance for a good deal found by another user of forum, anyway i'm sure that noone of you' ve got an account on this page and the registration takes 2 weeks (auction is ending in less than 24 h)

 

that's all what i wanted to say

[paulb]

The concern had nothing to do with "getting a good deal" it was more aimed at stopping people commenting on sales when the seller had no opportuinity to respond.

Ultimately something is worth what someone will pay for it, good or bad. I have no interest in protecting rogue traders, or for that matter keeping good deals for myself and I think you do a great diservice to members here by suggesting that is their (or my) motivation.

[Stephen]

Peter

 

as a once mod and as i supect the current mods are in flight to there respecive homes ill have to ask you to sign off with your name per sign up rules. the blade does have flaws not sure if fatal, id give it a pass non the less.

[kusunokimasahige]

I see some hagire i think, but its a real sword.. wether or not you should pay that amount for it i dont know..

 

KM

[Hermes]

I see no hagire, no fatal flaws that i can see, but i see a tried old blade that i would not bid on!

[kusunokimasahige]

 

??

 

KM

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

Kitae ware, not hagire

[kusunokimasahige]

AAAH YESS!!! sorry!! Used the wrong word..

 

meant blisters, not the crack from cutting edge through the entire Hamon....

 

beginner still

 

KM

[shan]

Hi again,

Surely this forum was not originally set up to offer buying assistance on any online sales whatsoever.

If you felt that you needed to ask about the blade, then follow your instincts,They said something was wrong and it is.

Its a tired blade and not so well forged,It is worth whatever the winning bidder is willing to pay for it and not a penny more.

Me...well its marginally better than a Tsunagi... but thats just me.

regards

Shan

[Ted Tenold]

I would encourage everyone to go to the sticky post on usage of this Forum which defines not only "Ebay" but *all* Online Sales and Sellers. We cannot be much clearer than that.

 

However for the sake of bringing it into the thread for clarity....

 

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Discussion of current items is permitted as long as they are within reason and not intended purely to raise or lower prices, or influence the outcome of a sale.

 

Feel free to discuss what you see, in a civil tone, within reason, and with purely objective statements. There is no harm is discussing what is clearly and undeniably visable in an item. As an example for the OP's linked item, I would say the things to consider on this piece before purchase are:

 

1. It is out of polish.

2. Conditional issues are clearly present which may preclude it's candidacy for restoration.

3. It does not *appear* to have a habaki or saya. Perhaps one should ask the seller before considering a bid.

4. The text is not in my native language so there may be information that I cannot grasp, and therefore cannot comment further with any confidence.

 

 

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Please keep discussion within educational boundaries. Discussions should not revolve purely around the pricing of an item, but should be about the item itself.

 

Pricing is a very subjective matter. Taking an Akom's razor approach (all things being equal) an item might have more demand in one region than another, or a collector might have a somewhat solitary interest in a particular gendre, and thus the price will be accordingly influenced by the demand. So either asking what an item is worth, or establishing a valuation, would be skewed based on personal taste, experience, regional demand, stylistic popularity/demand, etc., etc. Thus the rationalization for not isolating any discussion of pricing.

 

Perhaps it is better to ask; What other items are available for a comparable asking price? That is something that everyone should consider at all times.

 

Stephan also is correct in that the mods are in variable stages of presence. I have returned home, but only now just returning to my own time zone. :lol: Guido and Brian are sporadically present as Brian is still traveling, and Guido was dealing with a dial up connection and a move orchestrated in the bowels of hell.

 

Perhaps it's the stress of the times when all our economies, and thus our daily lives and livelihoods may be in question, but I've noticed more tension and abrasiveness in many posts lately. Even if current events are not affecting some personally, vehemence and aggression are like a virus; easily communicable and hard to erradicate. Please, Gentleman, for the sake of our forum, your fellow members, and the sanity of the moderators, please think about your responses before clicking on that "submit" button.

[Brian]

Ted, if there were an award for perfect posts, that would win it.

Can't add much to that at all.

Read Ted's post, and that is the position of this forum. We walk a fine line in allowing current eBay discussions. It is a tough choice, but one that I think usually has more benefits than disadvantages. It is through our own personal discression that this allowance works. Think before posting, and ask yourself if the post is educational or informative..or merely price-based.

As Stephen said too, please sign posts with a name, and also use the pm feature if unsure of anything before posting.

We encourage newcomers to ask before plunging into purchases, but advice is usually limited to the item itself, and pricing debates are not our focus.

The only way we can allow ongoing auction discussions is if we are self-regulating. For the most part this works well (judging by how seldom debates such as this one occur) but sometimes we need to be reminded of the guidelines.

Btw, I assume this is another auction system besides eBay, but of course these guidelines apply to any sales, anywhere online.

 

Brian

[lopas]

I want to say sorry to all, who noticed that i didn't read the rules of this forum, I wanted just to get fast reply to my problem and want to say thanks to everyone who helped me with evaluating the quality of this blade. I didn't buy this blade, the auction is finished. Sorry again, it would not repeat any more.

[Guest nickn]

ware in hamon not fatal?

[Ted Tenold]

No, not necessarily. It depends a great deal on the individual work, the period, the rarity of the work, the size and location, etc.. Some are forgivable, some mearly part of how the smith worked. As an example, Noda Hankei works are often loosely forged which is just a part of how he made swords, and for this fact, ware in the yakiba are not fatal and contrarily accepted as somewhat of a kantei point to look for, as is a duller habuchi which is also somewhat contrarian. Again, the degree of magnitude and location being subjective considerations.

 

Hosho works are another example, and others working in Masame kitae as it is very very difficult to perfectly forge masame works without some degree of kitae ware.

 

Looking at the sword in question, it is impossible from the images to say if the ware are fatal to the sword or not as we cannot see the yakiba clearly. They may not be a detraction after polish, or, they may be evidence that the shingane is surfacing and thus the yakiba may be nemui (sleepy), nioi-giri (broken nioi habuchi) or hajimi (muddy, misty, undefined).

[Guest nickn]

thanks ted