Which era ?

Jacques D. · July 20, 2020

All is in the title, in which era this sword was made ?

David Flynn · July 20, 2020

Kanbun shinto.

Alex A · July 20, 2020

Suguha start reminds me of late Edo Bizen, so il go with that

16k · July 20, 2020

I’d go with Kanbun Shinto too. But I guess this is a "trap" sword!

raaay · July 20, 2020

kanbun , if correct ? kaneshige ?

Babu · July 20, 2020

Showa

Ganko · July 20, 2020

Qsaka Shinto?

takakage · July 20, 2020

Look at Sengo school.

16k · July 20, 2020

Look at Sengo school.

yes, I thought about that too, but I think the Hamon should reach closer to the ha with Sengo.

The Snowflake · July 20, 2020

Could be anything from Muromachi Mino to Hizen Tadahiro (nidai) but Kanbun looks true. Without the sugata its open to many interpretations kaga maybe? Kanesaki?

Surfson · July 21, 2020

Kan-ei. Looks like Kawachi no Kami Kunisuke or other early Osaka Shinto smith

David Flynn · July 21, 2020

Instead of schools or smiths, lets just try and pick the era.

Tom Darling · July 21, 2020

Shinto, similiar to Kunisuke, I agree with Robert. Peace

Tom D.

AntiquarianCat · July 21, 2020

Since I’m a beginner is it okay if I ask for a hint? What is the sori type and how much sori? If it is saki, could it be terminal Muromachi? If not and little curvature I’ll instead guess Kanbun. The start of hamon is straight, that’s a pre Shinto tell isn’t it? Also are those crab claws? If those are claws am I looking at something related to Bizen?

Jacques D. · July 21, 2020

I just ask for the era...

Answer to morrow

Bazza · July 21, 2020

As JP says, this is almost certainly a "trap" sword!!!

I would definitely say not Koto. With a suguyakidashi, sampin boshi and that slight taper from the monouchi to the kissaki I would have to say Shinto era. The hamon certainly reminds me of a sword I've seen and it does have Mino traits in the sanbonsugi style. Other than that, I would say it is an excellent sword whenever it was made!!! Possibly an utsushi.

Looking forward.

BaZZa.

DoTanuki yokai · July 21, 2020

Shinto Yokoyama

Surfson · July 21, 2020

I did state Kan-ei, which is I guess is what Jean meant by era. I also said Shinto, which could also be construed as era.

Alex A · July 21, 2020

Ok, we are trying to get it down to micro-era :laughing:

Il zoom in as best i can 1830-1860

16k · July 21, 2020

1667, a lucky day in January, between the hour of the Dragon and the Snake! (I’m sure I’m right! Try to beat that!)

Jacques D. · July 22, 2020

Well gentlemen,

Thanks for triying. i did'nt give sugata and measurements because i wanted to focus on the hamon (if you look attentively at the sori it's shallow but saki). Hamon different in the upper part of ble blade and in the lower part of it leads to Sue Koto particularly a period of about 35 years between 1521 and 1555 (Daiei, Kyoröku and Tenbun era).

The yakidashi usually thought to be only shinto is effectively misleading

This sword was made by Muramasa but you can find the same kind of hamon in some works by Nidai Kanemoto or Sukesada and others.

Alex A · July 22, 2020

Dam, knew it was Tenbun! :laughing:

Christian, i thought it was Yokoyama too, some very similar hamon, thought maybe that was the "trick"

16k · July 22, 2020

Incredible, Muramasa looked so obvious I dismissed it immediately! :rotfl:

Bazza · July 22, 2020

Well gentlemen,

Thanks for triying. i did'nt give sugata and measurements because i wanted to focus on the hamon (if you look attentively at the sori it's shallow but saki). Hamon different in the upper part of ble blade and in the lower part of it leads to Sue Koto particularly a period of about 35 years between 1521 and 1555 (Daiei, Kyoröku and Tenbun era).

The yakidashi usually thought to be only shinto is effectively misleading

This sword was made by Muramasa but you can find the same kind of hamon in some works by Nidai Kanemoto or Sukesada and others.

Shodai Muramasa.jpg

A real teaser Jacques, and a VERY good lesson in the universality of some sword features. JP said it - "Muramasa looked so obvious I dismissed it immediately!" I can only think that those of our number who did not have a guess all knew The Answer. My real gut feeling is that they didn't have a clue!! C'mon now, who amongst our cognoscenti REALLY knew The Answer??? Be upfront about it, for this is surely what NMB is about amongst our everyday (enjoyable nonetheless) banter.

This was fun, Jacques, and a few more in your busy day wouldn't go astray!!!

BaZZa.

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16k · July 22, 2020

Well, Sengo was mentioned on the other page, I said it looked like it but dismissed it as too obvious and said it should be closer to the ha. But the box shaped, three gunome features, followed by a gently undulating Suguha is found again and again in the Sengo school.

Bazza · July 22, 2020

Well, Sengo was mentioned on the other page, I said it looked like it but dismissed it as too obvious and said it should be closer to the ha. But the box shaped, three gunome features, followed by a gently undulating Suguha is found again and again in the Sengo school.

Hmmm, I'll go and look at my old Sengo blade in Shingunto koshirae, with unusual hanger. I've been meaning to put it up here for a long time - straws on my back!!!

BaZZa.

paulb · July 22, 2020

I'll hold my hand up Bazza, I don't think would have gone to Muramasa as a first guess. My initial reaction would have been something a bit later. I am glad to say we continue to learn and hopefully don't take anything for granted.

Alex A · July 22, 2020

A real teaser Jacques, and a VERY good lesson in the universality of some sword features. JP said it - "Muramasa looked so obvious I dismissed it immediately!" I can only think that those of our number who did not have a guess all knew The Answer. My real gut feeling is that they didn't have a clue!! C'mon now, who amongst our cognoscenti REALLY knew The Answer??? Be upfront about it, for this is surely what NMB is about amongst our everyday (enjoyable nonetheless) banter.

This was fun, Jacques, and a few more in your busy day wouldn't go astray!!!

BaZZa.

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Just using the hamon, il be honest, Muramasa did not register once.

How does that old saying go, "the eye sees what it wants to see"

All good fun.

16k · July 22, 2020

Look at the blade from the Sandai here. Typical box shapes similar to that one.

http://www.nihontomessageboard.com/articles/Muramasa2.pdf

actually, my lack of knowledge may be why I thought about it. Having a Sengo, I’ve studied this school more particularly and know it much better than others. So for once, limited knowledge proved helpful. Though I dismissed it all the same as I thought it was to easy and Jacques was tricking us both with Sengo and Shinto.

Two other examples where those shapes are typical:

Ganko · July 22, 2020

Goes to show you that trying to judge a sword solely by it's hamon is akin to judging a book by it's cover. A very good exercise.

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