Gilles Posted April 17, 2020 Report Posted April 17, 2020 Dear all, I am looking for a Japanese sword in good condition (with its original dimensions, thus not over polished) from the Bakumatsu period along with its original koshirae. I need a textbook example, that is to say that the nakago must be quite long (well over 20 cm) and the nagasa must be over 75 cm. The sword must be signed and dated between 1854 and 1864. I am not looking for a specific or well known swordsmith, just an average to good one. The sword I am looking for must have been made for real combat. Usually, those swords are found with a shallow sori can be quite heavy and rather clumsy to yield, nevertheless, some are quite elegant (both type welcomed). If you have one for sale, please contact me by PM. 2 Quote
Ray Singer Posted April 17, 2020 Report Posted April 17, 2020 This sword is no longer available and does not have koshirae, but just sharing as a reference for others here of this type of sword. It is of the so-called kinnoto type, swords made for use by the pro-imperial loyalists. Generally 75" cm, thick kasane and shallow sori with a long nakago. http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/31400-long-yokoyama-sukeyoshi-katana/ 2 Quote
Gilles Posted April 17, 2020 Author Report Posted April 17, 2020 Dear Ray, Yes, you are right, those swords were made for use by the pro-imperial loyalists. I need one kinnoto like this, but with a koshirae. Quote
Greg F Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 Gillies I'd love to see what sword you come up with if your happy to share with us. Greg Quote
Gilles Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Posted April 18, 2020 Dear Greg, I will, if I find this gem....... 1 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 Hi Gilles, not an exact match but certainly hits a few points: https://www.Japanese-sword-katana.jp/katana/2010-1082.htm Quote
nektoalex Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 As an option ://www.Japanese-sword-katana.jp/%e6%9c%aa%e5%88%86%e9%a1%9e/1610-1061-2.htm Quote
Gilles Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Posted April 18, 2020 Dear John, Way too short but in the right time frame (and already sold). Dear Alexsandr, Very close to what I am looking for, I keep that one on line. Thank you very much gentlemen, I resume my search..... Quote
takakage Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 Bonsoir, Like this one ? https://www.aoijapan.com/katana-tenpo-14-nen-mizunotou-2gatsu-hatsuumahi-seimei-syousin-shinritu-chikai-syoan-kunihide-gei-ketsugi-jyosyu-annaka-kosakahashi-fujiwara-seian-ani-iwi-den-sosyu-masamune-matsuyo-tachibana-inryusi/ Quote
takakage Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 Or this one ? https://www.aoijapan.com/katana-suifu-jyu-norikatsu-takeda-kimiyoshi-saku-no/ and https://www.aoijapan.com/katana-suifu-ju-norikatsutokkatsu-1st-generation-ansei-4-nen-2-gatsuhi/ Quote
Shugyosha Posted April 21, 2020 Report Posted April 21, 2020 One more to consider: https://www.touken-matsumoto.jp/eng/swords_e.php?type=2 Quote
Gilles Posted April 21, 2020 Author Report Posted April 21, 2020 Thank you very much John, but they are way too expensive for me. Quote
Ray Singer Posted April 21, 2020 Report Posted April 21, 2020 Again no koshirae, but another nice example. https://tokka.biz/sword/kaneyuki3.html Quote
Peter Bleed Posted April 21, 2020 Report Posted April 21, 2020 This has been an interesting thread. Thank you NMB!. I have always been interested in the rather large number of swords that were produced - and presumably demanded- by conditions of the terminal Edo/early Meiji era. I've even - well - acquired some but I have never seen any that retained their original koshirae. Assessing these swords as weapons that were made for bold patriots (or foolish tradtionalist) is pretty interesting. I wish I know more about how such swords would have been ordered and created. Again, - good thread. Peter 1 Quote
Gilles Posted April 22, 2020 Author Report Posted April 22, 2020 Thank you Ray, this is quite a good example. Dear Peter, I strive to know more about those swords which were made not a so long time ago. Information are scant...... Quote
nektoalex Posted April 22, 2020 Report Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 8:17 AM, Gilles said: Thank you Ray, this is quite a good example. Dear Peter, I strive to know more about those swords which were made not a so long time ago. Information are scant...... I will support Peter, an interesting and little-lit subject of swords of the indicated period and in the continuation of what Gilles said, does it make sense to raise this topic in the appropriate section, the author of which may be Gilles !! ?? (this offer cannot be refused) , everyone will have something to share Quote
Ray Singer Posted April 25, 2020 Report Posted April 25, 2020 Koshirae, but unlikely to be the original koshirae. https://www.aoijapan.com/katana-suifu-ju-katsumura-norikatsu-saku-kore/ Quote
Ray Singer Posted April 25, 2020 Report Posted April 25, 2020 When I was looking at other examples of Ashu Sukeyoshi I saw this one below. A but shorter than I think you would like, but nice period koshirae. I wish the Ashu Sukeyoshi I had retained a koshirae like this. http://asahitoken.jp/contents/01_token/details/token-B/B108.html 2 Quote
Gilles Posted April 25, 2020 Author Report Posted April 25, 2020 Dear Ray, Thank you for the links. Those two swords are nice but over my budget. I may have spotted a couple of such swords more in line to what I am looking for. But I have to wait the end of the confinment to see them in hand..... Dear Alexsandr, That would be a good topic. Give me some time in order to gather more info. 1 Quote
16k Posted April 26, 2020 Report Posted April 26, 2020 Yes, a topic I’d like to read too. One of these is on my "to get" list in the future. Quote
Peter Bleed Posted April 27, 2020 Report Posted April 27, 2020 Okay, Gilles, let's see if this is worth looking at. Today I got out a "daito" (exactly 2 shaku!) by Shinkei TANIMITSU dated February Keio 4 in what has to be the original koshirae. This isn't the sword you said you were looking for - but what a sword it is! Quote
Peter Bleed Posted April 27, 2020 Report Posted April 27, 2020 Okay, Gilles, let's see if this is worth looking at.Today I got out a "daito" (exactly 2 shaku!) by Shinkei TANIMITSU dated February Keio 4 in what has to be the original koshirae. This isn't the sword you said you were looking for - but what a sword it is! Peter Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted April 27, 2020 Report Posted April 27, 2020 Peter, show us the Koshirae if you please!!!! Quote
Gilles Posted April 27, 2020 Author Report Posted April 27, 2020 Dear Peter, Nice sword indeed. Can you show us the koshirae ? Quote
takakage Posted May 2, 2020 Report Posted May 2, 2020 Hi Gilles, May be this one match ? https://www.samurai-nippon.net/SHOP/M-991.html 1 Quote
dkirkpatrick Posted May 8, 2020 Report Posted May 8, 2020 I may have a few swords that fits this description. While some of the earlier swords were indeed quite expensive, the last one referenced was about 6400USD unless I’m mistaken. Given that, I’m wondering what you are thinking of price range wise for a zaimei 75cm sword in original koshirae? EDIT: I realize I mistakenly thought JP was the OP, I apologize for the confusion. Doug Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted May 8, 2020 Report Posted May 8, 2020 @Patrick, #26, nice find, and not expensive. I have a Yoroi-doshi tanto in koshirae by this Gassan school smith Sadahide. Quote
Gilles Posted May 8, 2020 Author Report Posted May 8, 2020 Indeed, Patrick found an affordable sword. Quote
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