ole po

[Bungo]

from Ole Po.............

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/A044-JP-Samurai-Swo ... 911.c0.m14

 

" This Tsuba was made famous Armor-craftman,

 

on Muromachi Era ( 1400-1550 ). "

 

some how it doesn't " look like " a typical armor maker tsuba, you all think it's Muromachi period ?

 

since this is ongoing auction, der Despot..............censor/edit/delete at will if I cross the red line.

 

milt

[Guido]

  Bungo said:

since this is ongoing auction, der Drespot..............censor/edit/delete at will if I cross the red line.

It's still Friday in the US, so Ted might have a go at despotism, but in my part of the world it's Saturday, and my office is closed for the weekend.

The door to my office:

[Ted Tenold]

Seems I've been despot-tized. :lol: It's within limits, so it can stay........for now. :lol:

 

Papers say Katchushi and Muromachi Jidai. Saying it doesn't "look" like a Muromachi Katchushi begins to look back to the discussion in another thread about trying to place old round iron guards in neat convenient little catagories of period and school. If you ask me, this is really just challenging the documentation for an already vague and subjective area.

 

If I were better versed I'd offer an opinion, but I'm not on tsuba so I'll defer to the usual suspects wiser in aged things of round iron flatnesses.

[Bungo]

I should rephrase the question............

 

assuming there's no shinsa paper.

By looking just at the tsuba, would you call it armor maker tsuba of Muromachi period ?

A bit " thick " for Muromachi period ? I am not sure about this point, but my impression is early tsuba ( pre-Edo )are usually a bit on the thin side ?

I await the sarcastic comment on my " shoot from the hip " ( trait I shared with Georgie my friend ) statement when the sun rises over the Northern Capitol.....................

 

Milt

[John A Stuart]

Hi All, I thought I might comment on this tsuba. Ko-katchu-shi tsuba were quite thin in the period ascribed in the description and one characteristic of them was their finely wrought mimi. Most had the raised rim of some shape, round, square or angled. So the mimi was thicker than the hira. Ko-tosho tsuba of same time were thicker at the seppa dai area and thinned towards the mimi by up to a third. This meant the mimi was thinner than the hira. This leads me to tosho. Age? genuine patina leads to Muromachijidai, but, the crispness of the sukashi edges seem to belie this. Could be well preserved. No papers, I'd think mid Muromachi Ko-tosho. John

[Bungo]

" Ko-tosho tsuba of same time were thicker at the seppa dai area and thinned towards the mimi by up to a third. This meant the mimi was thinner than the hira. This leads me to tosho. Age? genuine patina leads to Muromachijidai, but, the crispness of the sukashi edges seem to belie this. Could be well preserved. No papers, I'd think mid Muromachi Ko-tosho. John "

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but the tsuba doesn't look like what you described .

Personally, I'd place the age at Edo ( mid )

milt

[John A Stuart]

How do you mean Milt? It seems to taper to me. I'd like to see if one side was flatter than the other. Sukashi rather large for Ko-tosho but still. You may be right too, just my pitiful take of course. John

[Guido]

  Bungo said:

Personally, I'd place the age at Edo ( mid )

Ever thought about issuing your own papers? Starting with your own collection, it should keep you busy for couple of months until we'll see you posting again.

I hope that was sarcastic enough for your taste, Hawkeye!

[Bungo]

Hawkeye was NEVER pompous, Frank.......

 

 

milt

[Kajihei]

Nippon Toso Bugu Kenkyukai (NTBK), the organization that issued the paper, is a mystery. No one in Japan seems to know who runs it or where it is located. So it is best to regard the certificate as nothing more than a marketing tool. Most likely it is issued by a dealer or a group of dealers on items they put on the market.

[John A Stuart]

Hi Matsumoto san, A few years ago these origami were tracked down to a shop that issued them as appraisals for their goods. I can't remember the shop though. I suspect they must be treated like any other private appraisals, ie. Aoi Art appraisals. Educated attribution, but, not without possible error or wishful thinking. John

[Brian]

Hi guys,

Here is the shop and a little info on the papers by Moriyama san: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2406

Would love to hear more opinions on the tsuba...what it is as well as what it isn't?

I am sure the papers aren't way off, but worth discussing to know what to look for.

 

Brian

[Mike]

Hello All, I believe this is mid to late Edo period tsuba. as said before old tsuba tends to be a lot thinner and a larger in diameter, also IMHO the quality of the iron of Poe tsuba is lesser than what you might expect from older tsuba. Another point is the tsuchime which is very dull comparing to Ko tsuba. Last point is the hitsu-ana, old tsuba had been made without hitsu-ana, and it was usually added later, because of that there is difference between the condition of the hitsu ana and the sukashi, in this tsuba they are the same condition and looks crisp. Mike