Bungo Posted October 12, 2008 Report Posted October 12, 2008 Was reading some history of the Wehrmacht and came across this " old german militrary proverb "...... Nach dem Siege binde den Helm fester. Thought I read it somewhere Iyeyasu said that too. So who came up with that proverb first ? Or may be both copied from somewhere else, like Sun Tse ? Milt, the curious Quote
Pete Klein Posted October 12, 2008 Report Posted October 12, 2008 Was reading some history of the Wehrmacht and came across this " old german militrary proverb "...... Nach dem Siege binde den Helm fester.Thought I read it somewhere Iyeyasu said that too. That's incredible Milt -- I didn't know Ieyasu spoke German? Quote
Rich S Posted October 12, 2008 Report Posted October 12, 2008 Since I speak neither, what the h... does it say?? Rich Quote
sencho Posted October 12, 2008 Report Posted October 12, 2008 Nach dem Siege binde dir den Helm fester. After the victory you are bound to the helmet more firmly... or the helmet binds firmer to you... Guido??????? Quote
Bungo Posted October 12, 2008 Author Report Posted October 12, 2008 Can i borrow the " Penguine " picture ? Milt Quote
Guido Posted October 12, 2008 Report Posted October 12, 2008 "After a victory, fasten the helmet fimer!" meaning that even after a victory one shouldn't let down his guard, but be prepared for another battle. Quote
Bungo Posted October 12, 2008 Author Report Posted October 12, 2008 like duhhhhhhh, Question was Who said it first ? Milt Quote
Guido Posted October 12, 2008 Report Posted October 12, 2008 like duhhhhhhh,Question was Who said it first ? Milt I thought it was the Roman emperor Octavian, but don't ask me for the quote in Latin. Quote
Bungo Posted October 12, 2008 Author Report Posted October 12, 2008 so Iyeyasu got that from the Catholic priests ? p.s. I could get Maureen to translate that into latin..........Tu Betchus !! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opini ... wd.html?em Milt Quote
Nobody Posted October 13, 2008 Report Posted October 13, 2008 It is thought that Iyeyasu quoted the words of Hojo Ujitsuna (北æ¡æ°ç¶±). However, I suspect that the proverb had been known before Ujitsuna. Hojo Ujitsuna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C5%8Dj%C5%8D_Ujitsuna Quote
IanB Posted October 13, 2008 Report Posted October 13, 2008 I included this quotation in a text for an exhibition the Royal Armouries held in conjunction with Nikko Toshogu Shrine. It was greeted with bewilderment by the priests who had never heard it before. Ian Bottomley Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted October 13, 2008 Report Posted October 13, 2008 I don't know who said it first, but Churchill used the expression. "After your victory, buckle (tie) your helmet on firmer." I DO know however, who said it last.... ... ... ME! "After your victory, buckle (tie) your helmet on firmer." Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted October 22, 2008 Report Posted October 22, 2008 And what would that be in Classic Japanese? KM Quote
Nobody Posted October 22, 2008 Report Posted October 22, 2008 And what would that be in Classic Japanese? KM å‹ã£ã¦å…œã®ç·’ã‚’ç· ã‚よ。 Katte Kabuto no O wo shimeyo. Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted October 22, 2008 Report Posted October 22, 2008 Thank you very much Moriyama dono!! Its great to know it since i try to do some Samurai Re-enactment and need classical Japanese phrases... KM Quote
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted October 22, 2008 Report Posted October 22, 2008 Very popular saying... Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 SECvNDvM A VICTORIA , PANGO GALEA STABILIS was what an online English to Latin translator came up with.. LOL KM Quote
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