Mon in unusual locations

[PNSSHOGUN]

There's a general grade parade sabre in the F&G with similar number & placement of chrysanthemum Mon. 

[Ontario_Archaeology]

13 hours ago, lonely panet said:

personally i dont trust the originality of these mons.  

Any pictures of anything I can do to put any doubts to rest or confirm? 

[george trotter]

18 hours ago, lonely panet said:

personally i dont trust the originality of these mons.  

I did not think anyone but an Imperial Family member could display the Imperial kiku mon....may be this sword was carried by a family member?

[PNSSHOGUN]

Here is the sword from F&G, it was sold earlier in the year at the large (infamous) Llyods auction and now is on Ebay. The tassel and belt do not seem appropriate (company grade tassel and leather combat belt): https://www.ebay.com/itm/165491456147?hash=item26880f3893:g:pfIAAOSwWRdihxdi

 

[Smee78]

I wish all swords had a Mon, they are just so interesting and add a personal touch to the swords.

[Kiipu]

On 7/8/2022 at 3:26 PM, Ontario_Archaeology said:

Any pictures of anything I can do to put any doubts to rest or confirm? 

 

The sword is depicted in F&G and in Dawson's books.  Both state it is for the Imperial Household.

Ministry of the Imperial Household

[Ontario_Archaeology]

So the imperial mons are not just for the imperial family, but for those belonging to the ministry of the imperial household, which is probably the case for 99.9% of swords with imperial mons on them since I don't see any swords really being confiscated from the imperial family, unless specifically surrendered under ceremony. 

[Lareon]

The Mon itself on this isn't anywhere strange but there is another addition to the end that is described as a representation of a kabuto.

Post war addition or something period?

[PNSSHOGUN]

Two more with Mon on top of the Kabutogane:

 

[Itomagoi]

Mon on Saya of Kai Gunto

[PNSSHOGUN]

Great find peter, that's a rare thing. Can we see the rest of the sword?

[Itomagoi]

Yes, of course:

https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/w1060253321?conversionType=search_suggest_history

[Bruce Pennington]

Photos added for the future.  One of the not-common kaigunto with chuso:

[george trotter]

On the Imperial mon question, I think Matt H is on the money.

Looks like the multiple kiku mons on that sabre indicate the Imperial department they were issued to.

If it was an Imperial family mon it would almost certainly be silver...and only one mon.

I have seen maybe 3 or 4 images over the years of what must be Imperial family member/relation mon...all silver.

 

Interesting....thanks.

[Ontario_Archaeology]

11 hours ago, george trotter said:

On the Imperial mon question, I think Matt H is on the money.

Looks like the multiple kiku mons on that sabre indicate the Imperial department they were issued to.

If it was an Imperial family mon it would almost certainly be silver...and only one mon.

I have seen maybe 3 or 4 images over the years of what must be Imperial family member/relation mon...all silver.

 

Interesting....thanks.

The odds are in favor of it being imperial department, but on my sword, there are 7 silver mons. 

 

All I am trying to say is that a silver mon might not indicate actual royal family ownership. 

 

I'd love to see more imperial examples that is known to have belonged to imperial family members. Maybe we can see a pattern. 

[PNSSHOGUN]

This Koshirae was owned by Prince Asaka Yasuhiko, each of the seppa had the Imperial crest.

 

 

 

[Lareon]

10 hours ago, PNSSHOGUN said:

This Koshirae was owned by Prince Asaka Yasuhiko, each of the seppa had the Imperial crest.

 

 

 

that really is mint condition

[george trotter]

Wow 7 silver mon....must be pretty senior person in a senior Imperial department.

I think the most likely personal Imperial family mon is likely to be this type of single mon.

 

Interesting topic.

[robinalexander]

What looks to be an embossed mon (?) on one side of the kabutogane of a Type 94 currently going to auction on Invaluable (USA).

[robinalexander]

I came across a wakizashi today that had three mons located on the fuchi.

 

All appear to be the same family line (haven't checked that yet) but interestingly there is gold and black one on one side of the fuchi and another gold one on the other side.

 

The mei for this tanto is currently on on the translation thread.

 

Rob

 

[Bridges]

@PNSSHOGUN saw this mon the other day

[MarcoUdin]

4 hours ago, Bridges said:

saw this mon the other day

 

Beautiful mon, I believe its Bamboo or 竹 (take).

A sign of purity and nobility, there is a very long history behind it.

[PNSSHOGUN]

Nice yes, but this is not an unusual location by any stretch

[uwe]

This mon is called “Maru ni sasa no maru”.…yes, bamboo, Marco 😉

[PNSSHOGUN]

Two examples of Kyu Gunto with Mon on the bottom of the handle:

 

[PNSSHOGUN]

Here's a neat one, the Emperor of Manchuko's Kyu Gunto:

 

 

 

[PNSSHOGUN]

One on top of the Kabutogane: https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t1077287170

 

[Ontario_Archaeology]

11 hours ago, PNSSHOGUN said:

Here's a neat one, the Emperor of Manchuko's Kyu Gunto:

 

 

 

So who's collection is that in 😳

[lonely panet]

Han Bing Song got alot of PU YEE's swords offf the top of my head 

[Bridges]

@PNSSHOGUNJohn, this may interest you.