Bungo Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 according to the seller..... Edo Shibuichi Migakiji Katakiribori Matsu Taka zu (pine trees & a hawk) Signed Shuzan Kozuka ................ patina looks like shibuichi but on the side at the seam I see some minor pits...... highly polished ground and it sticks to my refrigerator magnet like bee to honey. Can't find the mei " shuzan " in any books I have. milt Quote
Bungo Posted September 6, 2008 Author Report Posted September 6, 2008 question for Iron Brush Ford....... we don't usually see Katakiribori with fine lines on iron, yes? No ? Is it difficult to do fine tiny circle on iron ? milt Quote
Ford Hallam Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 Hi Milt, the little circles are actually stamped with a cup shaped punch, a bit like nanako is done but obviously to as deep. To be frank, I think this kozuka looks very suspicious...I don't think this is an antique and probably not made in Japan. Just my gut feeling though regards, Ford Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 Try Kozan (or Kyozan), if the first character is Kaori... Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 春 山 : Shunsan Pete, yes, I looked at that, but I think the top is Nogi-hen. Nobody will know, but in the meantime I would lay my money on Ko-zan. Quote
Bungo Posted September 7, 2008 Author Report Posted September 7, 2008 The first kanji , I am quite sure is " Hide " ( as in Hideyoshi ). Looks very Japanese to me, Ford, but I was surprise the magnet sticks to it as the patina looks like shibuchi . May be late Edo, meiji period ? The artist is not listed in any kinko/painter index books that I have . Milt Quote
Brian Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 I'm with Pete on this one. Haynes lists 2 Shunsans, one ca. 1800-1850, and one 1700-1725. The Kozan's listed signed differently. Original or not, this seems to be the reading for these kanji on fittings. Brian Quote
Nobody Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 I think that Milt's reading is correct. The mei looks Shuzan (秀山). Quote
Ford Hallam Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 ....how often have you seen a kozuka with the mei on the front face like this? I imagine there might be the rare exception to the rule but I can't think of one Quote
Bungo Posted September 7, 2008 Author Report Posted September 7, 2008 Ford et al, I suspect the design was taken from some painting and the mei is that of painting artist and not the kozuka maker . We have seen a few koz. with mei on the front as part of the design . Still, what interest me most is the technique done on highly polished iron ( with patina that looks exactly like shibuchi ). milt Quote
Ford Hallam Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 the technique done on highly polished iron ( with patina that looks exactly like shibuichi ). I think that "patina" is just what happens when polished steel is handled a bit....give it a while on your window ledge and it will rust nicely Polished steel is simply not a finish that would be used by any traditional metalworker ( apart from sword-smiths :D ) in Japan. It isn't practical and it looks too flashy. The design may well have been based on a painting ( a very bad one ) but the chisel work is very atypical of kata-kiri work. It also seems too long compared too it's width. Taking all these oddities ( the mei placement also ) together leads me to only one conclusion. ...sorry, just my opinion p.s. which end is open to admit the blade's tang? Quote
Bungo Posted September 7, 2008 Author Report Posted September 7, 2008 " It also seems too long compared too it's width. Taking all these oddities ( the mei placement also ) together leads me to only one conclusion. ...sorry, just my opinion p.s. which end is open to admit the blade's tang? " ................................................................................ best answer with one pic........ dimension looks " normal " , all open to the left. milt Quote
deskjet Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 hi i have a kozuka blade with almost the exact same carving and mei also on the front.will post pictures or alink a.s.a.p Anthony :? Quote
deskjet Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 a couple of pictures..i will ry and take better ones ,but it gives the general idea Anthony Quote
Ford Hallam Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 Sorry Milt, one of the images seemed to distort the appearance of the length. Anthony, can you post some larger images, those are too small to make anything out properly. thanks, Ford Quote
deskjet Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 hi sorry .hope this is better Anthony Quote
Bungo Posted September 7, 2008 Author Report Posted September 7, 2008 wow........ looks like the same guy !! p.s. want to part with that blade ??? Can trade you a tsuba for that milt Quote
Ford Hallam Posted September 8, 2008 Report Posted September 8, 2008 no doubt about it....the same guy my initial impression is only reinforced. Quote
deskjet Posted September 8, 2008 Report Posted September 8, 2008 hi Milt, depending on the tsuba i could be interested. Anthony Quote
Bungo Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Posted September 8, 2008 Tony, PM me , give me an idea of " trade value " and I'll select tsuba of similar " trade value " ....... milt Quote
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