Dr Fox Posted October 4, 2019 Report Posted October 4, 2019 Your assistance would be appreciated on this translation. I just could not get it to scan. Thanks in advance. Quote
ROKUJURO Posted October 4, 2019 Report Posted October 4, 2019 I read BISHU OSAFUNE no JU NORIMITSU 1 Quote
Ray Singer Posted October 4, 2019 Report Posted October 4, 2019 FWIW, I would not have much confidence in the authenticity of this mei. 2 Quote
Dr Fox Posted October 5, 2019 Author Report Posted October 5, 2019 Jean Thank you as always ready to help, I got so far with this one, but but was not at all happy. Ray My thoughts exactly, tried the comparison methods, but not convinced. Now I have your considered opinions, I will backtrack and confirm why I was not convinced. Thank you again. Quote
Nobody Posted October 5, 2019 Report Posted October 5, 2019 Actually, the second last kanji is 刖 (getsu). That is not 則 (nori). 4 Quote
ROKUJURO Posted October 5, 2019 Report Posted October 5, 2019 Thank you, MORIYAMA-SAN!So it reads GETSUMITSU, but the NAKAGO does not look like late 13th century..... Quote
Dr Fox Posted October 5, 2019 Author Report Posted October 5, 2019 Thank you MORIYAMA-SAN That answers the initial problem. And Jean here's the blade, wakizashi at 33.cms. Got to go with you, never late 12th century. But I did feel early Edo??? Thank you all. Quote
Nobody Posted October 6, 2019 Report Posted October 6, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 3:24 PM, ROKUJURO said: Thank you, MORIYAMA-SAN! So it reads GETSUMITSU, but the NAKAGO does not look like late 13th century..... I think that the chiseler intended to carve Norimitsu and only made a mistake. Quote
Dr Fox Posted October 6, 2019 Author Report Posted October 6, 2019 MORIYAMA-SAN / Jean. So if one does not fully accept the use of 'no ju', as part of Norimitsu's Mei. Then would it not be acceptable to think that Norimitsu, would not have made such an error in his own signing! Thus being two very good reasons, to declare this Mei as fake. Regards. Quote
Jacques Posted October 6, 2019 Report Posted October 6, 2019 On 10/6/2019 at 6:48 AM, Dr Fox said: MORIYAMA-SAN / Jean. So if one does not fully accept the use of 'no ju', as part of Norimitsu's Mei. Then would it not be acceptable to think that Norimitsu, would not have made such an error in his own signing! Thus being two very good reasons, to declare this Mei as fake. Regards. Fully agreed. More, the mei seems brand new (whole sword too) compared with shoshin mei and whole style of engraving is different (i did'nt go further). http://www.sanmei.com/Pictures/Sword/T56234_S5109_PUP1.jpg https://www.aoijapan.com/img/sword/2017/17580-2.jpg https://tokka.biz/sword/norimitsu.html Quote
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