Fake signatures?

[barnejp]

Hi All,

 

Examples of fake signatures are welcomed.

The true signature vs the fake..a comparison of the photos appreciated.

 

Cheers,

Greg

[Vermithrax16]

Greg, how much time do you have? 

[Vermithrax16]

Here is one Markus Sesko did for me a while ago to show a sword had a fake signature. I have since used the example to inform my own studies:

[barnejp]

A Great example.

[Nobody]

FYI: https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%E5%88%80+%E5%81%BD%E9%8A%98&sxsrf=ACYBGNTSsl3a5QfPBhr7o0F4CwoMiek20g:1568599954980&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSyfGYotTkAhW3wosBHbm3AcwQ_AUIESgB&biw=1241&bih=954

[ChrisM]

Damn. That example from Markus is amazing. 

[tbonesullivan]

Damn. That example from Markus is amazing. 

 

Yeah, it really is. Back in "the old days" there were unfortunately no good resources where numerous authentic mei could be compared. The style is so important, and at the same time, is what make some mei difficult to read.

 

Fake signatures are also put on there to get a higher price, so they generally are going to stick an important name on it.

[Ken-Hawaii]

 

 

And aren't we glad that they didn't have anyone like Sesko to show them the real mei! No reason to think they didn't have talented forgers back then, too.

[Vermithrax16]

Even today; the example I posted I could show to people and they will argue to the death its:

1. Mei variation of smith

2. Smiths used all kinds of chisels, changed things over time

3. This sword is the one that's different

 

It never ends, hence we will never stop seeing fake mei on swords. And Tsuba, any fitting, it never ends. You have to do the work.

[barnejp]

Would be a great topic and/or book.

Japanese Forgers of the Past: How and Why did they succeed?

[Jacques]

Detecting a gimei is not that simple.. 

 

https://www.toukenkomachi.com/index_ja_tachi&katanaA171217.html