russbellon Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 So i saw this one and loved the whimsy. It reminds me a little of a drawing by Breugel. Anyway, i was curious so i researched the story behind this one.The story seems to go that Kinko (Qin Gao) was a Daoist sage (Sennin) who spent the first 200 years of his life painting fish. He had such respect for them that he would never harm or eat them. The Dragon lord of the river kingdom sent a giant fish to invite him to come and be his guest, so Kinko told his students he would return and rode the fish under the water into the river kingdom. He was a guest there for around a month and, upon returning meets the god(dess) Kannon, who gives him a scroll that teaches the Buddhist way of protecting all life. Anyone have any examples from this legend? I've only seen this one and it (and my wallet) is decidedly low-end. 1 Quote
Tanto54 Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 Dear Russ, Always liked this one from the Boston MFA: 6 Quote
Kurikata Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 You can google "Sennin Shiei" (Tzu Ying in China) - Found this one: Iron tsuba with Shiei motif - Dimensions: 83.4 x 75.5 x 3.9 mm - Iron tsuba of mokko-form carved and coloured with silver and gold iroe, depicting a sennin (immortal) Shiei riding a carp to heaven. Waves in the bottom and clouds on top of the plate. Sennin's head inlaid with shakudo. 3 Quote
Tanto54 Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 Dear Bruno, nice print! I think that we both posted images of "Shiei" or "Shiyei" Sennin who is actually a different Sennin than the Kinko Sennin that Russ posted... Here's a tsuba that is probably Kinko Sennin instead of Shiei/Shiyei Sennin (because of lack of dragon wings - although Kinko Sennin usually has an open scroll in his hand whereas Shiei/Shiyei Sennin is holding the fish-dragon's horn): 5 Quote
Kurikata Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 "The sennin Shiei (Chin. Tzū Ying) once caught a beautiful red carp. He set it free in his pond so as to be able to admire it at his leisure. He fed it well and it grew enormously. After a year its length was over 10 feet and it had grown horns and wings. One day Shiei knelt down and paid homage to his carp. It promised to take him to heaven. It started to rain, a typical association with the nature of dragons and Shiei sat himself astride his fish that carried him to heaven. The sennin Kinkō (Chin. Ch'in Kao, 12th cent.) spent a great part of his life drawing fishes and singing sacred songs. One day as he took a bath in the river, the king of the fishes invited him to his domain. Kinkō accepted the invitation. He told his pupils of his intention, naming a day for his return. Then he dived into the stream. On the day mentioned by Kinkō his pupils assembled on the bank. Astride a giant carp Kinkō emerged from the waves. After this he stayed yet a While with his pupils who took a vow never again to kill fish. Then Kinkō, and now for ever, disappeared into the stream." Quoted from: The Animal in Far Eastern Art: And Especially in the Art of the Japanese Netzsuke, with References to Chinese Origins, Traditions, Legends, and Art by T. Volker, pp. 24-25. 2 Quote
russbellon Posted September 13, 2019 Author Report Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 5:06 PM, Tanto54 said: "Dear Bruno, nice print! I think that we both posted images of "Shiei" or "Shiyei" Sennin who is actually a different Sennin than the Kinko Sennin that Russ posted... Here's a tsuba that is probably Kinko Sennin instead of Shiei/Shiyei Sennin (because of lack of dragon wings - although Kinko Sennin usually has an open scroll in his hand whereas Shiei/Shiyei Sennin is holding the fish-dragon's horn):" George, That one is gorgeous Thanks Bruno for the Shieh and for the additions to the story. 1 Quote
Oshy Posted September 17, 2020 Report Posted September 17, 2020 I am told the above reads "Gyokushiken Yasunori" Couple more examples below: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-Japanese-samurai-sword-tsuba-470146792 https://fudo-myoo.com/en/tsuba/23-tsuba-with-kinko-琴高-and-his-giant-carp.html Quote
Spartancrest Posted September 18, 2020 Report Posted September 18, 2020 There is an image in "Japan AND ITS ART by MARCUS B. HUISH (October 1912)." I have it in my "Early Articles for Tsuba Study 1880 -1923" book page 238 . You will notice the over large Pectoral fins on this example. The smaller image has already been shown in George's post. 2 Quote
Spartancrest Posted September 20, 2020 Report Posted September 20, 2020 There is a guard in the V&A with Sennin riding the Carp. 3 Quote
Bazza Posted July 30, 2022 Report Posted July 30, 2022 This is VERY interesting. I have seen a VERY large teppou (3-wrap barrel and as heavy as an anchor) with a copper (??) sheet covering most of the barrel surface with a sennin riding a fish with waves splashing all around. I saw this well over 30 years ago. Sadly, it isn't mine and is a 'wet dream' I have had since the first moment I (just) held it in my hands. Sighhhhh. I still have an oshigata somewhere of the mei I find every once-in-a-while and this thread reminds to put it here whenever I next sight it. BaZZa. 3 Quote
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