jblev2 Posted September 12, 2019 Report Posted September 12, 2019 Hi all, I bought a few swords/tantos online and I am trying to identify if they are real or I got ripped. Here is an Izumi No Kami Kunisada the 1st from 1620, let me know what you think its worth and thank you very much ahead of time. Jon B. Quote
Ray Singer Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 This sword appears to be gimei (a fake signature). Definitely not a shodai (first generation) Oya Kunisada. 1 Quote
Ray Singer Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 As a starting point, compare your sword with examples here. https://www.aoijapan.net/?s=Izumi+no+kami+Kunisada+first&x=0&y=0 Quote
jblev2 Posted September 13, 2019 Author Report Posted September 13, 2019 I can't read Japanese at all but thank you! I will have to ask for a refund. Quote
Vermithrax16 Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 Kunisada, Sukesada, just pass is a good idea. 1 Quote
Jacques Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 This sword appears to be gimei (a fake signature). Definitely not a shodai (first generation) Oya Kunisada. The mei is engraved as a daimei by nidai Kunisada Gimei 1 Quote
Stephen Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 Dont follow Jeremiah way of thinking but beside that I doubt you'll get a refund. It's not a bad looking blade did he guarantee shoshin? Ask first then buy. 1 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 Getting a refund would be the best way forward, with that money back in your pocket you'll be able to look at what some of the members here have to offer. Just in the sales section you will find some great swords for very good prices. If I may ask, what are you after Japanese sword wise? If you just wanted a real Japanese sword then you do have one here, just not by the signed smith. If you paid the sort of prices associated with guaranteed or papered swords then a refund is definitely advised. The more time you spend on here you will learn quite a bit very quickly and be better prepared to avoid the sharks swimming in the shallows! Don't worry or feel silly, many of us have been in your shoes, new collectors and old. As an aside please sign with your real first name per forum rules. Quote
vajo Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 The sword is not looking bad. How much did you paid? 1 Quote
Ken-Hawaii Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 Jon, please buy some books & study them. You'll have a much better chance of not getting ripped off. 1 Quote
Ray Singer Posted September 13, 2019 Report Posted September 13, 2019 A number of Kyodai Original's swords are shown with small pieces of paper called torokusho. I want to point out that these are not authentication papers, they do not provide verification of the signature, confirm provenance, indicate quality, etc. They are only licenses for the swords to reside legally in Japan. 4 Quote
jblev2 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 Any idea on the what this blade is? Quote
Vermithrax16 Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 Dont follow Jeremiah way of thinking but beside that I doubt you'll get a refund. It's not a bad looking blade did he guarantee shoshin? Ask first then buy. Ok, let me re-word. Here on NMB and looking at auctions, listings etc all the time, I see hundreds of gimei swords out there. Some are good blades, most are not. But of say 300 fakes in a year, 200 seem to be Sukesada or Kanesada for some reason. So I just skip them. Quote
Stephen Posted September 23, 2019 Report Posted September 23, 2019 Not that many fakes just not the famous Sukesadas. tons are mass produced in later koto waring era. Id never skip a sword because of its name...just merits of its workmanship. 3 Quote
Tom Darling Posted September 23, 2019 Report Posted September 23, 2019 You happen to have a very nice katana with koshirae, despite the mei. Peace. Tom D. 2 Quote
harvg Posted June 26, 2021 Report Posted June 26, 2021 Hello, I recently aquired this wakizashi, signed Izumi no Kami KuniSada, possibly 1st generation. The sword is definitely genuine, the mei looks good....but any thoughts as to whether it matches the sword. I believe the mei was originally 7 charachters, but two maybe lost when it was shortened. Harvey Quote
Jacques Posted June 26, 2021 Report Posted June 26, 2021 Harvey, Your sword which should be from the shodai seems gimei too. Quote
harvg Posted June 26, 2021 Report Posted June 26, 2021 Hello, read an interesting article on the study of a KuniSada mei. The mei in question (figure #3 Left) looks very similar to the stroke pattern of mine......thoughts? Here is an excerpt from the article: One of the authors (DM) sent an oshigata and photographs of the mei to Mr. Tanobe Michihiro of the NBTHK . In his kind response, Tanobe explained that the mei is authentic and a jishin-mei of the shodai Kunisada. Jishin-mei is a term used to refer to a signature cut by the craftsman's own hand, rather than a mei cut for the master by his student or, daimei. The sword eventually received an NBTHK Tokubetsu Hozon paper. Harvey Quote
Jacques Posted June 26, 2021 Report Posted June 26, 2021 According the Nihonto meikan and the Inoue Shinkai Taikan, shodai Kunisada always signed Izumi no kami Fujiwara Kunisada 和泉守藤原国貞 Some differences (the whole style is not the same). Quote
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