Guest Posted September 9, 2019 Report Posted September 9, 2019 Chigai Taka No Ha (Crossed Hawk Feathers) One of my favourites as well. 2 Quote
Austus Posted September 9, 2019 Report Posted September 9, 2019 First attempt to share these two mons. One is Takeda(?), the other I can't find. Weren't sideways when shot. Thanks, Y'all Austus Quote
Guest Posted September 9, 2019 Report Posted September 9, 2019 Hi Austus Not sure about the Takeda attribution, isn't that more Diamond shaped (Hishigata) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeda_clan No 1 Maru Ni Karaigane Bishi (Two geese in a diamond pattern within a circle) No 2 Maru Ni Yotsu Ishi (Four stones within a circle) 1 Quote
Austus Posted September 9, 2019 Report Posted September 9, 2019 Thanks, Malcolm, looks like you're right. Didn't see the difference until you pointed it out. Gotta get me an Occam's Razor. What are those phrases? I see the English translation. Are they standard patterns or have known names? If anybody can use whatever they like, then what's the point? At least they are usually attached to really nice swords. Quote
Guest Posted September 10, 2019 Report Posted September 10, 2019 Hi Austus There are standard patterns and groups for Kamon which are recognisable. This is how the name of your Kamon breaks down: I'll do it in Hiragana because that works on syllables We have Maru Ni Karaigane Bishi まるに Maru Ni - Within a circle からいがね Karaigane - Two geese びし Bishi - (In a) Diamond shape Yours, however is quite rare, there are quite a lot of Karaigane Bishi, (Two geese in a diamond shape) but very few Maru Ni Karaigane Bishi Also, there is no plural in Japanese, so despite the title of this thread "Mons", Mon, Kamon, Monsho or Mondokoro (Which are the names for Japanese crests) are both the singular and plural. Following the vast upheavals of the Bakumatsu period (1853 - 1867), the use of Kamon by anyone became a free for all, as it is today. (There are some exceptions e.g. Yakuza Gumi Kamon which are now banned from public display on their offices.) 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted September 10, 2019 Report Posted September 10, 2019 Here's a flatter diamond, found by John on the Pinned Kabutogane thread: http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/29629-pinned-kabutogane-on-type-94/ Quote
Guest Posted September 10, 2019 Report Posted September 10, 2019 Hi Bruce, Fujiwa Takeda Bishi (Garland of Wistera leaves with a Takeda Kamon within) PS Did you pickup on the 3 different types of Sakura used on the menuki and haikan of Gunto and on the menuki of Kaigunto? Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted September 10, 2019 Report Posted September 10, 2019 Malcolm, I'm aware that they differ on gunto, kaigunto, and contingency models, if that's what you mean. Are you saying that there are 3 different styled sakura found on army gunto? Quote
Guest Posted September 10, 2019 Report Posted September 10, 2019 Not quite Bruce, The Army Gunto has Yamato Zakura (Cherry Blossom with stamens) and leaves on the Kabutogane, Fuchi, Kuchigane and Ishizuki. Yamato Zakura (Cherry Blossom with stamens) on the Tsuba. Yae Yamato Zakura (Cherry Blossom with stamens and petals beneath) on both the menuki and haikan. I'm also curious what the Yae Yamato Zakura is sitting upon on the haikan, is it cherry leaves laying upon a Chrysanthemum? See Ohmura http://ohmura-study.net/906.html The Navy Gunto has Maru Ni Yamato Zakura (Stamen version within a circle). on the menuki. kabutogane and ishizuki I had not appreciated that before. Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted September 10, 2019 Report Posted September 10, 2019 Interesting Malcolm. The base under the Sakura on the Haiikan look like leaves interspersed with FAT stamen. I’d never paid that much attention before! 1 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted September 16, 2019 Report Posted September 16, 2019 One of the few Mons I have seen with virtually all the gold leaf intact, for those with remnants of it it would've have looked very splendid. Quote
Guest Posted September 16, 2019 Report Posted September 16, 2019 Hi John Maru Ni Mitsu Gashiwa (Three daimyo Oak leaves within a circle) Quote
IJASWORDS Posted September 17, 2019 Author Report Posted September 17, 2019 This is similar , but not the same as others already posted . Quote
Guest Posted September 17, 2019 Report Posted September 17, 2019 Hi Neil Kagewa Ni Sokage Katabami (Linear (Form not filled in) creeping wood sorrel within a circle) See the same Kamon here: http://archive.wul.waseda.ac.jp/kosho/bunko06/bunko06_01736/bunko06_01736_0003/bunko06_01736_0003_p0005.jpg 2 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted September 17, 2019 Report Posted September 17, 2019 Still retains the gilding too, I wonder if it was an extra cost or came standard from some sword shops. The swords with evidence of gilding are often nicer quality blades and mounts. Quote
IJASWORDS Posted September 29, 2019 Author Report Posted September 29, 2019 Hope you can help with this one . Quote
uwe Posted September 29, 2019 Report Posted September 29, 2019 “Yokogawa” (横川). Not a mon I guess, but might be a family name. 1 Quote
reeder Posted September 29, 2019 Report Posted September 29, 2019 Here’s another I bought to complete out a project. Quote
uwe Posted September 29, 2019 Report Posted September 29, 2019 Probably “Maru Ni Nami”. Waves in a circle?! 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted October 9, 2019 Report Posted October 9, 2019 Here's a mon on a civilian tsuba and saya: Quote
Guest Posted October 9, 2019 Report Posted October 9, 2019 Hi Bruce, It's a little blurred but the basic form is Maru Ni Mitsu Aoi (Three leaves of Aristolochiaceae within a circle). I wouldn't read too much of a Tokugawa family connection into this, as forms similar to this were commonly applied to items for export from the 1870's onwards. I don't think this is a civilian mounted Gunto, but a Tachi aimed at tourists for export. 1 Quote
hobnails Posted October 13, 2019 Report Posted October 13, 2019 Here's one i have which i belive is Shimazu clan 1 Quote
Guest Posted October 15, 2019 Report Posted October 15, 2019 Hi Chris, The Kamon is called Kutsuwa and represents a bit from a Horse's bridle. Quote
uwe Posted October 16, 2019 Report Posted October 16, 2019 Or “Maru Ni Yumonji”. Anyway, both Shimazu! 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted October 17, 2019 Report Posted October 17, 2019 Wow, a mon engraved on the nakago! (for sale by Luis, on the Sale/Trade forum: http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/29673-long-strong-aoi-mon-shinto-katana-with-gi-provenance-and-gi-made-koshirae/) Quote
Guest Posted October 17, 2019 Report Posted October 17, 2019 Hi Bruce, it is known as Chuukage Maru Ni Mitsu Aoi (Three "empty" Aristolochiaceae leaves within a circle). Hi Uwe, last year at the Tokyo National Museum, there was an exhibition of "Kakurei Kirishitan" items from the Nagasaki Magistrates Offices, including depictions of The Virgin Mary, depicted as Kwannon, with the "Maru Ni Jumonji" Kamon impressed to the back. 2 Quote
Guest Posted October 23, 2019 Report Posted October 23, 2019 Hi JP, That's a difficult one, the Kamon in the center is shown upside down,(mounted Tachi style) but looks like a variant Mitsumorizuta (three Tsuta - Japanese Ivy leaves). These are Tsuta leaves, but I think your Kamon has them all pointing in to a central point, not as shown here. Could you turn it upside down again and go closer please? What do you reckon Uwe, Steve M? Quote
SteveM Posted October 23, 2019 Report Posted October 23, 2019 Looks like two sakura flowers flanking a central aoi or tsuta leaf motif. I don't know what to call it, but you often see the three individual flower-in-circle motifs together in a trio like this. There must be some name for it. Usually all three are the same flower, as below http://www.jp-military.com/teiban/viphtml/70.html My impression is that this is a generic Japanese motif, and not one kamon of a specific family. Quote
uwe Posted October 23, 2019 Report Posted October 23, 2019 Hi Malcom, first glance you are right. I also guess “ Mitsu Tsuta-Shiriawase”! Pointing towards the “Matsudaira Daimyo” of Obata, in Kodzuke province....?! Quote
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