Help Identity Our Mon.

[SteveM]

Nice - 

 

Goka ni chigai yamagata

五爪に違い山がた

 

　

https://www.waichiba.com/item/itemgenre/kamonlist/k07027.html

[PNSSHOGUN]

Any ideas on this one?

[SteveM]

Fabulous! 

 

Hiōgi

檜扇

https://kamon.myoji-yurai.net/kamonDetail.htm?kamonName=檜扇

[uwe]

On 10/1/2021 at 7:28 PM, SteveM said:

Fabulous! 

 

Hiōgi

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https://kamon.myoji-yurai.net/kamonDetail.htm?kamonName=檜扇

Let me add “Matsudaira” (Tango) and “Honjo” (Mino)…

[PNSSHOGUN]

Have seen this before but not sure which family it originated from:

[robinalexander]

Would it be Kikkawa ?

[robinalexander]

Or more likely (but still far from certain ) Ashina clan?

[PNSSHOGUN]

Kikkawa or Ashina, thank you Rob.

[uwe]

It’s called “Maru ni mitsubiki”.

Unfortunately used by many families, for example:

Abe, Asano, Kawasaki, Sabae, Kitsukawa, Sakuma, Takaki, Tsugu, Kitanokoji, Manabe….etc…etc.

 

In a modified form by:

Ashina, Furuta, ….etc. 

 

 

[Bruce Pennington]

Found this on an auction posted by John, @Shugyosha, HERE.  The tanto is made for Tomoo, in 1843.  The seller speculates that it was "Nagasawa Tomoo 長澤伴雄 (1808-1859) who was a scholar of Japanese classical literature and Waka poetry. He was a Samurai at the Kii Domain, Wakayama. He compiled multi-volume Waka poetry collections. It is likely that the long poems inscribed on both sides of the blade are by him."

 

It has the Kiri mon on one side and the Kikyo mon on the other.  Just wondering why there would be 2 mon for 1 owner.  Ideas?

[b.hennick]

Husband's family and wife's family  wedding present?

[SteveM]

The above is a strong possibility.

Or, one crest could be the fief crest, and the other is the personal crest of the owner. The 5-7-5 Paulownia crest became the crest of the government sometime in Meiji, so it could represent a connection to the government or imperial family. 

[Bruce Pennington]

Thanks Steve and Barry!

[Bryce]

G'day Guys,

Am I right in thinking this is a Daki Myoga mon? You often see mon used within a circle, but also without one. What is the significance of the circle? Does a mon within a circle represent a different family to a mon without a circle?

Cheers,

Bryce

 

[Bugyotsuji]

It has been said that a circle (thick, medium or thin) was added at a later date, that Mon did not originally have a circle.

By extension the suggestion is that anything (such as a 丸 Maru circle), altering an original ‘pure’ mon indicates a step away from the main line of that family, e.g. a younger sibling or cousin’s line.

[PNSSHOGUN]

Perhaps this was identified before but can't recall exactly which it is:

 

 

[MarcoUdin]

1 hour ago, PNSSHOGUN said:

Perhaps this was identified before but can't recall exactly which it is

 

 

 

Omodaka (water plantain)

https://www.seidoshop.com/products/eng-kamon-omodaka

 

[Bryce]

G'day Piers,

Thankyou for your explanation.

Cheers,

Bryce

[uwe]

On 11/26/2021 at 4:59 AM, PNSSHOGUN said:

Perhaps this was identified before but can't recall exactly which it is:

 

 

It’s called “Maru ni tachi-omodaka” (standing water plantain in a ring). Mizuno, Okudaira….etc.

[Bruce Pennington]

An unusual one (to me anyway).  Found by @PNSSHOGUN at this Yahoo auction.

 

[Bugyotsuji]

Bruce, try Ichimatsu Yotsumé.

 

http://cts2.web.fc2.com/meyui.html

 

 

[Butch]

Could anyone help me with this one please ?

Thanks Gareth

[Bugyotsuji]

Gareth try Ken Katabami.

https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=剣カタバミ+家紋&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiw5ujx-tH0AhXqw4sBHVi2Br8Q2-cCegQIABAC&oq=剣カタバミ+家紋&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIGCAAQChAYMgUIABDNAjIFCAAQzQI6BQgAEIAEOgYIABAHEB46CQgAEIAEEAQQJToLCAAQgAQQsQMQsQM6CwgAEIAEEAQQJRAgUKsTWM-iAWDgrAFoBnAAeAGAAYEBiAGnDZIBBDQuMTKYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=1HevYbCsLuqHr7wP2Oya-As&bih=715&biw=414&client=safari&prmd=isvxn&hl=ja-jp

[Butch]

Thank you for the link ..

Did find a match but being in Japanese couldn’t translate ..

Many thanks 

Gareth 

[SteveM]

Ken ＋Katabami (swords + wood sorrel). 

 

The wood sorrel is good luck because it grows back no matter how much/often you cut it down. The swords are just a design motif that separates the leaves of the wood sorrel, but obviously swords are important in Japanese history/culture and would be considered an appropriate design for a family crest. 

 

This is a common family crest, and a bit difficult to pinpoint who might have used it since so many families adopted it. 

[PNSSHOGUN]

It is very unusual for a Mon to be mounted on a Type 3/Rinji model.

[NathanLM]

Here is another. 

[Bugyotsuji]

Years ago I was told that Katabami (wood sorrel) without the Ken (blades) was a popular Mon for women.

 

Nathan, try Iketa ni Ichi 家紋 井桁に一

This is a diagonal version of the 井 'wellhead' Kanji with a 一 one stroke in the middle.

[james_green42]

Anyone know this mon?

[Bugyotsuji]

https://irohakamon.com/kamon/chouji/