Help Identity Our Mon.

[Bruce Pennington]

I want to say it's a Sun and Moon mon, but I've lost all my good mon webpages.  I think @SteveM might have a good source.

[SteveM]

No idea. I found an interesting shape that corresponds with that (bridge for a shamisen), but I don't think its the same. 

 

https://irohakamon.c...marunishamigoma.html

 

Hard to tell if its a kamon, or if its a base for some other emblem. Or maybe some emblem affiliated with war production (like some steel producing factory or a ship-building company, etc.). 

 

 

[John C]

I was hoping someone could help with this one (sorry, not on a sword but a yatate).

A seven spoke arrow wheel in the family group "Ya". I've included a pic of the page from my mon book, however it doesn't give a family name.

Thank you,

John C.

[Ooitame]

Ashikaga?

[Bugyotsuji]

丸に二つ引き紋（まるにふたつひき）：家紋のいろは (irohakamon.com)

 

As this page shows, yes, prinicipally Ashikaga, but at least 50 other families used this mon, including the 'evil' Kira of 47 Ronin fame.. 

寺紋足利市鑁阿寺、京都市竜安寺、京都市慈照寺

戦国武将細川藤孝、細川忠興、斯波義統、最上義光

幕末維新近藤勇、吉田稔麿

有名人吉良上野介

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[Ooitame]

@Bugyotsuji Thank you, I believe this is closer? 

https://irohakamon.c...kagafutatsuhiki.html

[Bugyotsuji]

Haha yes, every little detail differed by family, but always need to make sure which way round it is too, white on a black background, or vice versa, i.e. there were positive and negative versions.

陰家紋 

Yours is two positive lines on a sukashi background.

 

[John C]

@Bugyotsuji

Piers:

On the seven arrows spoke wheel mon I posted above, do you know if there is a list of family names associated with it? Would Ya be the first syllable. 

Thank you,

John C.

[Bugyotsuji]

Hi John, apologies, saw yours but decided I was not going to go there! (Rabbit, hole, etc.)

 

These 11 familes are given for *'Nanatsu Yaguruma', three with Ya in their names: 太田、服部、高畠、日和佐、真島、田村、福井、能勢、大矢、矢作、矢部など

 

Here: 七つ矢車紋（ななつやぐるま）：家紋のいろは (irohakamon.com)

 

*Also called 七本矢車 Nanahon Yaguruma

 

[John C]

1 hour ago, Bugyotsuji said:

These 11 familes are given for *'Nanatsu Yaguruma',

Thank you! I really appreciate your time and effort. I was hoping for a sense of who may have used this and you provided just what I was looking for.

Thank you again,

John C.

[Snowy]

Any ideas on this one please?

[hobnails]

Hi guys any ideas on this family mon

cheers Chris

[PNSSHOGUN]

It's a family name: "Sakagami - 坂上". Is there a original rank tassel, or other information on where the sword was captured?

[hobnails]

Hi John that was quick there is a rank tassel ,not sure if it’s legit but I don’t no any more details I’m asking on behalf of a mate

[hobnails]

Hi John here’s the sword with tassel 

[PNSSHOGUN]

Not an original rank tassel. Mounts look decent, any idea on the blade?

[Bugyotsuji]

Just going back to Snowy's Mon a couple of posts back. I can see the circle is made up of Fuji wisteria, indicating some link to the huge Fujiwara genealogy, but the inner parts are too blurred in that shot.

[Nicholas]

[PNSSHOGUN]

Hidari-mitsudomoe - associated with Shinto shrines, among many other uses. 

 

 

[Volker62]

tomoe- mon

 

three comma

[MaoriToa]

Hi Guys hello from New Zealand, first time posting this is my shin gunto 98 with mon

[PNSSHOGUN]

Welcome to the forum, Will. That is Maru ni Ken-Katabami, depicting wood sorrel and swords. One of the more prolific Mon to encounter. Looks like a nice sword, do you have any other pictures?

[MaoriToa]

Hi John thankyou for the welcome mate, here's a couple more pics, tang is unsigned.

 

 

 

[Bruce Pennington]

11 hours ago, MaoriToa said:

a couple more pics,

The screenshots didn't work.  Sometimes the 'drag and drop' doesn't work and you have to use the 'choose files'.

[MaoriToa]

Couple pics 🙂

[RobCarter3]

Does anyone know this mon?

 

 

It looks similar to the Maru Ni Hana Warabi (Bracken Flowers within a circle) posted here, but is oriented differently. 

  

On 9/3/2019 at 1:55 PM, menpo said:

 

It also looks similar, but not identical, to the one identified as "Horio" on this chart. 

  

On 2/10/2021 at 11:34 PM, Hshsurf said:

 

[Toryu2020]

I believe it is FUNDO - ingot

[Bugyotsuji]

Hmmm........... this is a tough one. I'd like to agree on fundo, scale weights, but the two circles are complete and do not open out at the edges, which would be an essential feature.

For this reason I temporarily reserve judgement.

 

丸に二曜紋 (Maru ni futa-yomon) is probably what it should be called if it existed, 'two celestial bodies in a circle', but the Yomon seem to start at three and go up to 9, i.e. (Kuyomon) 九曜文 and beyond.　(Never as low as two?) 丸に二つ星紋 might also work, if you call these bodies 'hoshi' or 'stars'.

家紋二つ星紋 - 検索 画像 (bing.com)

 

My guess is that it's a later kamon made up following the end of the feudal era.

[uwe]

Guess not Fundo...but Piers seems close with the stars?!

 

This is what I could find after a quick search:

 

 

It is related to the "稲田" (Inada*) or "船木" (Funaki/ Funagi) family regarding my book.

 

* Other readings are Inata, Inaba, Ineta, Ineda or also Mori...
 

 

[Bugyotsuji]

丸に離れ二つ星 (Maru ni hanare futatsu-boshi) in Uwe's photo means 'Two separated stars within a circle'. Never seen that before, but I reckon that must be it! 

 

No.46 here: 月星（１） (biglobe.ne.jp)

 

And various...

丸に離れ二つ星 - 検索 画像 (bing.com)