Help Identity Our Mon.

[Bugyotsuji]

The interlocking rings were used by the powerful Wakisaka family as I recall.

[PNSSHOGUN]

That was an interesting read about one of the legendary "Spears of Shizugatake", some sources also have this Mon used by the Hatakeyama, or at least a branch of them.

[george trotter]

I looked up Hawley's mon book p.85 and it says (as Piers said) WAKISAKA Yasuharu 1555-1626...a General.

Also TATSUNO of Harima...Daimyo.

Regards,

[Bugyotsuji]

Yes, there's neat little castle in Tatsuno and the Wakisaka were located there at one time. 

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%BE%8D%E9%87%8E%E5%9F%8E

[NathanLM]

Any idea in this one?

[george trotter]

Just seems to be the igeta (well top) in a circle... Hawley p.79 gives about 9 examples...none with 'ichi' in the centre. You'll have to search...

Sorry,

[Bruce Pennington]

Waiting on this one to arrive, a Mon I haven't seen on a sword before:

 

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John,

Forgive my nosing into something I know almost nothing about, but a website purporting to show Samurai clan mon says this one is "Kunishi". Link: http://www.samurai-archives.com/crest3.html

 

I don't know how much credence to put on that. I have a hanging wysteria mon, that most guys say is "Fujiwara", but this site says it is "Naito".

[Baka Gaijin]

Good afternoon Nathan,

 

Try researching "Igeta Ni Ichi Ji".

 

Hi John, try researching "Futatsu Tsunagi Kanawa".

 

[Bruce Pennington]

This was discussed on another thread, and remains "unknown", but it just dawned on me that it might be a mon.

 

Any help guys?

[Bruce Pennington]

Here's a unique one! I'm even wondering if it's not a kamon, but a unit crest or something else. It's on a police Lieutenant sword, here: http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/32587-translation-assistance-with-kyo-gunto/

[Bugyotsuji]

Bruce, check out the varieties of the Omodaka 沢瀉 Mon.

 

e.g. 沢瀉に水

 

1/4 way down this page. Omodaka ni Mizu, (and water).

https://kimonodo.jp/kimono/family-crest/

[Bruce Pennington]

Bruce, check out the varieties of the Omodaka 沢瀉 Mon.

 

e.g. 沢瀉に水

 

1/4 way down this page. Omodaka ni Mizu, (and water).

https://kimonodo.jp/kimono/family-crest/

Thanks Piers, you nailed it!

[PNSSHOGUN]

Here is another family name:

 

 

 

[Bugyotsuji]

代居　よすえ　Yosue?

[PNSSHOGUN]

It almost doesn't seem like a Japanese surname, how odd.

[Bugyotsuji]

A place name too.

As a stand-alone word, it also has a meaning of, 'standing in for someone who came before'.代居 代わりいる https://kotobank.jp/word/%E4%BB%A3%E5%B1%85-2025539

 

〘自ワ上一〙 前者に代わりその地位につく。代わってその地位にいる。

※蜻蛉（974頃）上「廿よ日のほどにかくれさせ給ひぬ。東宮、すなはちかはりゐさせ給」

[PNSSHOGUN]

It's on a Yasukuni-To so it must have had some significance at the time, certainly seen family names on these but I can't ever recall seeing a phrase before, very interesting!

[IanB]

Bruce,  I saw that kamon on a helmet in Turino, Italy, that had been given to the Duke of Savoy by the Japanese mission. It isn't listed in Iemon no Jiten by Seishi, so the family mayhave died out.

 

Ian Bottomley

[Bruce Pennington]

Toyotomi on a Kaigunto

 

Don't know the significance of the 3 horizontal lines

 

Found on fleabay by John (PNSSHOGUN)

[george trotter]

You'll have to find out what branch/family the 3 stripes on the centre leaf signifies.

Have fun...

[Bruce Pennington]

1 hour ago, george trotter said:

Have fun.

Welcome back George! Good to see you!

[PNSSHOGUN]

Perhaps not specifically related, but it has always puzzled me, on a Koshirae that was purported to be a Generals there are three cuts through the leaf of the cherry blossom on the opposite side of the Kabutogane. This is something I have never seen before on another sword.

[Bruce Pennington]

A new one to me!  Looks like a samurai helmet!  And it's stamped into the kabuto gane!!!

 

Edit:

Turns out not stamped in, but recessed and soldered:

[Baka Gaijin]

Hi Bruce,

 

If you count the petals on the illustration "Toyotomi" Kamon and the ones of yours, there is a distinct difference.

 

Spoiler

"Toyotomi" Kamon is 5 7 5, yours is 3 5 3

 

 

[Bruce Pennington]

6 hours ago, Grim Reaper said:

Hi Bruce,

 

If you count the petals on the illustration "Toyotomi" Kamon and the ones of yours, there is a distinct difference.

 

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"Toyotomi" Kamon is 5 7 5, yours is 3 5 3

 

 

Good catch Malcolm!

[Bruce Pennington]

This one is on an extremely large shingunto-mounted old blade. Found HERE

 

It appears to be the Samurai crest of Akiyama, but isn't it upside-down?

[SteveM]

Ko-mochi kikkō sankai-hishi

(Three tiered diamond in double-lined tortoise shell)

 

 

It is upside down. Maybe there was confusion about the koshirae. (Sword is katana, but koshirae is tachi). 

 

kamon credit:

https://tenjikuroujin.sakura.ne.jp/t03castle16k3/160319/sub160319

[Bruce Pennington]

Here's one from BaZZa on the Kaigunto with mon thread:

[Bugyotsuji]

Cannot find that one. Spatulate tridents.（？）They look somewhat like Yasu fishing spears, crossed. 簎・矠 or ヤス.

 

Perhaps Kanji, or a Buddhist connection?

 

Dang, I've lent out all my Kamon books, and now, just when I need them...

[Bruce Pennington]

Speaking of mons and kikusui - here's one on an old post: