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The seller are supposed to be honest. He said he he only had that picture right now but i have asked for more pics and also all the info he has on the sword.

 

And its a katana.

 

Ill give you more info on the blade when ill get it.

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Joakim,

Knowing your other posts, and knowing you are dying to buy that first sword (having had all the advice to wait and save more) but if you are going to do it anyways, then this one may be a decent deal.

Gimei isn't ideal, but for someone just looking for a "samurai sword" you could do worse. This all assumes that you get many more pics, there are no real condition problems with it, and it is legit.

Lots of "ifs" but a katana at around $1100 isn't bad, since this one looks to be maybe Kanbun shinto from the sugata?

Not the usual advice I give, but i know you are going to buy something soon, so may as well be a katana and sellable later to upgrade. Even if gimei, you should recover your money on a sale assuming you have many more pics and it doesn't have any major issues.

 

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Thanks for the answer brian.

 

Hehehe as you said i will probably buy a sword soon and this is my maximum limit.

The seller is also willing to send me the sword without me paying for it, so if im not satisfied i can send it back for the shipping cost only. One thing tho the sword don have a shirasaya, is it hard to get one for it or make one?

The info i got now from the seller is

 

Kissaki: Chu-kissaki

 

Hamon: Gunome

 

Sori almost none but he says that was pretty usual in the kanbun era

 

no major flaws

 

Do yo guys think the date for when its made could be around 1630?

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Now i have the sword, it has some small chips and some very small rust stains. Look at the pictures and tell me what you think is it worth the price, is it real. Give me feedback if i should buy this. If i do i will post a new thread regarding info on the blade so if you just tell me if its worth 1100 us dollars.

 

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq1/brillone/

 

Im not a professional phographer so dont complain to much haha.

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Joakim,

Genuine sword. However I think I see quite a bit of leftover pitting on the blade in places?

That combined with the amateur polish and chips that aren't fatal but not great..hmm.

You aren't going to ever get an answer here saying for sure "buy it' or "don't buy it" as that isn't what we are about. You need to look at it, decide if it does it for you, and make a decision. It needs work, and you aren't going to spend the money on restoration ever. So I guess you need to decide if you want to wait, or get that bug out of your system now. It's a project blade, and you aren't going to make much money passing it on later. Not a bad price for a katana, but not a bargain if that is pitting I see.

Btw..can you see the boshi? (temper line going into and around the tip)

You already have a good idea it is gimei, and that it is likely from the Kanbun period, late 1600's. You aren't going to find out more info than that.

Tough choice and one you need to make. My advice is still a good wakizashi over a mediocre katana.

 

Brian

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Yes there seems to be some pitting. I dont see the boshi but it is a bit darker on the tip of the sword.

It is a really hard decision. As many of you guys have said it could be better with a wakizashi but i still havent found any nice wakizashis in that price range. And as you said restoration is not an option cause of the cost.

 

I mean its my decision but as i have looked around i havent seen a nicer blade for this price. Well this one but it has the fake horimono http://cgi.ebay.com/W-004-Edo-Naga-Waki ... 0270851878

I reallly have to think this over and i will concider what you guys say as you are the veterans :)

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Hello Joakim, I have been reading these posts and although I am nowhere near as experienced as most other members concerning swords I do think that you should take Brian's advice and give it just a little more time.Something will come up and you will either have the cash on hand for it or you will be looking at this blade and saying to yourself"why did I not wait longer?"

 

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Yeah but one thing is that i cant pay 1100 for a sword form Japan or the us cause the the shipping and customs will cost me to much. So i also have to concider that, i mean if you look at the swords you can buy in europe the prices are really higher than in the us or Japan. Well i have until tomorrow to think about this.

And one thing about the wakizashi is that i really only wanted a katana from the beggining, but now i also look at wakizashis tho i dont like tha short ones i dont want it to look like a knife i mean i wanted a sword so thats what im looking for.

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Well it looks like i will send it back, i havent got the right feeling about the sword and i will take youre guys advice. So my search continues. Do you guys have any tips on sites to look at exept the ones in the links archives and on ebay?

I gotta say it feels a bit sad sending it back but if i can make better then i will go for that.

 

Thanks for your thoughts guys

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If you wait, the right sword will come along. Just give it a week or 2.

Btw..you might want to look at that horimono sword again. In a chat with Ford, it was pointed out that while the horimono might be later than the sword, it isn't too terribly done, (judging by how the kani are carved) and might be not as bad as it looked. It does take some skill to carve kanji into a blade. Not saying it is a brilliant sword, but if it goes around $600 or so, and it does have NTHK papers..might be a good deal. In a reasonable polish, can see everything. Kissaki maybe slightly reshaped at some point to get rid of a chip? but you could do a lot worse if you get it for $600 or so. That is the price of the shirasaya and papering.

 

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As you say brian i will probably bid if it goes for around 600 cause that price is really good. And that could be a good starting sword its a lot cheaper but still a real nihonto.

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Well the horimono sword on ebay went for an over price so i didnt bid after a while.

One thing tho, i found a receipt from when the guy who wanted to sell me the sword bought it. And he payd 400 dollars for it lol. How could he forget the receipt???? Im reallly wondering if he ever opened the package from the beggining!?

And now he doesnt answer my emails when i told him i didnt want it.

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It is a really hard decision. As many of you guys have said it could be better with a wakizashi but i still havent found any nice wakizashis in that price range.

 

Hi Joakim,

 

to be frank - you may want to wait a bit longer. Since you have accepted the idea of a wakizashi, why don't you try to buy a tanto (or ko-wakizashi)? $1,100 would buy you something decent. Look at this one - it went for less than $900 and it is a very good entry-level sword to study a bit, in very good polish and with loads of interesting features to see. Such swords do appear from time to time: http://cgi.ebay.pl/_W0QQitemZ230282533215QQcmdZViewItem

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And one thing about the wakizashi is that i really only wanted a katana from the beggining, but now i also look at wakizashis tho i dont like tha short ones i dont want it to look like a knife i mean i wanted a sword so thats what im looking for.

 

Joakim,

 

You seem to focus on two aspects of the Japanese sword - its length and the "familiar" shape. You shouldn't buy a lousy sword, just because its particlar length (not less than 69 cm) and shape (shinogi zukuri) is what people usually associate with a "samurai" sword. I know it is difficult to break with that kind of thinking - I have friends whose interest in nihonto stems from their passion for iaido or kendo and they too want katanas only (additionally, they attribute great value to worthless, patched together sword mountings). Nihonto is all about excellent craftsmanship, about the art of shaping steel so that it is functional and beautiful, not about length. A katana which has lost its polish will not allow you to learn; a relatively inexpensive, professionally polished tanto will.

 

I'll tell you what. If it has to "look" like a "sword" why don't you buy one of those Paul Chen katanas? Such a katana cannot be mistaken for a knife and when you need to, you can cut wood with it. Neighbours should be suitably impressed, too.

 

Just kidding :lol:

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Stephen i have mailed him about that one now. :)

 

mariuszk

 

Yeah i was looking at that one but i didnt like the shape. And shure a tanto is nice but as i have said i want my first sword to be a sword and not a dagger. Thats just how it is hehe. And i think its no idea to buy a tanto i wont appreciate!

 

thanks for the comments guys

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Yeah i was looking at that one but i didnt like the shape. And shure a tanto is nice but as i have said i want my first sword to be a sword and not a dagger. Thats just how it is hehe. And i think its no idea to buy a tanto i wont appreciate!

 

De gustibus... Then you have to have a katana/o-wakizashi. You may as well forget a katana for $1100. This will buy you only something you won't appreciate.

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