Stamped/Cast/Chiseled Tsuba?

[Krystian]

Hello, 

 

I wonder what are your thoughts about this tsuba. 

 

Base of this tsuba is made of copper. On both sides thin brass plates where added. In my opinion they carry a lot of artistic value but I don't see any signs of carving. And I learned to be very cautious of kinko pieces ...

 

 

As always thank you for all your comments. 

 

Best Regards, 

 

Krystian 

[Steves87]

San mai? Is that a bamboo sekigane?

Following thread

[Krystian]

Yes, san mai and bamboo sekigane:) 

[Soshin]

It is three layer construction (sanmai) and not a reproduction. Many kinko tsuba were made using this method as early as the Momoyama Period. Here is a tsuba made with yamagane sanmai. The core is made of copper.   

[Krystian]

Thank you David. Do you know what method was used to make decorative outer layer? 

[Brian]

Punched from the back..it is a thin layer.

[TETSUGENDO]

Repoussé, rarely with a bit of chasing.

 

-S-

[vajo]

As Brian said these are two layers. The rim hold the layers on the plate.

[Surfson]

How collectible are sanmai construction tsuba?  Some of them can be quite old and attractive.  Do they have a following and a market?  I have run across one recently.  

[Steves87]

Im wondering similar things, I was recently gifted one which seems quite different to most.

[Ford Hallam]

Might I suggest that commercial interests refrain from posting images and links to items they're currently, or have previously, offered for sale? I find that commercial interests invariably muddy the waters of pure academic research and study.

[Krystian]

Again thank you for the comments. 

 

 

Just one more thing. Do you know how plates where connected to each other? There is black lacquer inside kozuka ana. So I wonder If it was used to cover sanmai structure or to make the connection stronger. In nakago ana on ura side there is a space between copper base and brass plate. Inside I see nothing that connects those two together. So just heat? 

 

 

Robert and Stephen. I bought It for around 350 $ and would do it again. 

[Steves87]

Krystian, I can give simple answers to those questions, but I think there are infinitely more experienced people who will be better answering for you.

Instead, Id like to share with you the Tsuba I was gifted for some simple CAD work.

[Krystian]

Dear Ford. I am sorry but I do not exactly understand? I have not offered this tsuba for sale and I am open to all comments. I understand that sometimes when financial matters are involved the party and hand might be skeptical about criticism of an item. However as we just saw in a different post criticism will still occur and we will all learn either way. And learning is what this forum is all about?  

[ROKUJURO]

Steve,

although your TSUBA seems to show a three layer construction, I don't think it is a SAN-MAI TSUBA, as these were constructed this way for decorative reasons which is not the case here. AKASAKA iron TSUBA also show the same principle. Your TSUBA could have suffered from having been in a fire which caused the outer plate to come off a tiny bit.
But this is just my impression from the photo and has to be verified by an expert (which I am not) in hand.  

[Guido]

Krystian, Ford probably referred to this tsuba:

[Krystian]

Steve, the reason why plate came off a bit on nakago ana is most probably result of widening it with a file. There are clear signs of file use made not long ago. 

[Krystian]

Thank you Guido for clarification. 

[Krystian]

And some close ups of inside kozuka and nakago ana. 

[Soshin]

All of your comments are of a commercial nature becuase you make tsuba and which are not free or cheap!  Talk about a double standard! 

 

Might I suggest that commercial interests refrain from posting images and links to items they're currently, or have previously, offered for sale? I find that commercial interests invariably muddy the waters of pure academic research and study.

[Brian]

Enough of this. I am deleting any further posts, unless Ford would like to explain why "that" tsuba description was relevant and misleading.

[Surfson]

Fantastic photos Krystian.  That really makes the case better than thousands of words.  It seems in some areas that the plate is well fused to the inner core and others are delaminating.  

[vajo]

All of your comments are of a commercial nature becuase you make tsuba and which are not free or cheap!  Talk about a double standard! 

 

David, why you put on every picture a copyright and an advise to your shopsite by answering questions? The links in the signature are well done. But I'm with Ford and Brian, answering a question should not to be done with advertising and a refer to a own shop.  Sorry when i have missunderstand something but these are my thoughts to different threads here i didn't want to comment any longer. 

Overall, does not argue. 

[Geraint]

Dear Krystian.

 

I trust you have seen this brief article,  https://www.japaneseswordindex.com/tsuba/sanmai.htm

 

 

 

All the best.

[Bazza]

Dear Krystian,

 

I have put this tsuba up before quite some time ago, but put it here for you and newer members to show that in some sanmai tsuba rivets are put through the seppa dai.

 

BaZZa.