Blazeaglory Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 I wish you the best and hope this is the real deal but something inside me feels that something just isn't quite right with this sword. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Either way it's a good result, his students/contemporaries are generally highly valued. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promo Posted March 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 Short update since I have been asked several times by members anyway and recently made aware of good news: the blade was sent to Japan and after a very long time it took it to go through customs it was shown to Tanobe san who said the signature is authentic. Then it was submitted (unpolished as is) to NBTHK Shinsa. I have been informed today that NBTHK as well classified the signature as authentic, but for papering they‘ll need to see it polished. So it will now be polished as well as a Habaki and Shirasaya being made. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 Congrats! And well done NMB!Glad you came here, and had a great outcome. It is going to look amazing in polish. I guess we still have some use 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 Georg, well done..please share the pics after polishing Best 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken-Hawaii Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 Yes, always useful to see Before & After photos. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Bleed Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 What a happy resolution! Congratulations!. I read this thread like a "soap opera." I'm glad it came out all right. Peter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northman Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 Fantastic news indeed! One heck of a reincarnation story. Congrats, and looking forward to seeing the "(re-) finished product". I'm sure it will be a rewarding experience for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 What Nihonto bedtime stories are made of. Also why we should call a moratorium on calling gimei just because we dont like a hook on end stroke. Leave to the experts. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 What Nihonto bedtime stories are made of. Also why we should call a moratorium on calling gimei just because we dont like a hook on end stroke. Leave to the experts. My sentiments Stephen. It's been rolling around in my head for a while - there seems to be a group of guys who's pre-set approach is "Gimei!!!". It's like the "Shoot first, ask questions later" attitude. I know gimei exist, no question. But the percentage of blades that are proclaimed gimei on these forums seems unlikely. It's like 80% are gimei, 5-10% are legit, and 10% are could-go-either-way. I understand the need for the skeptical eye (yes even Mantetsu are being faked these days!), but is seems to me that some guys have fallen past skepticism to pessimism. Now, that simply may be because, in life, these guys ARE pessimists. But it sure puts a downer feel on everything. I'm obviously a "glass is half full" kind of guy, and admittedly often asssumes the good too easily. But I'd rather enjoy my hobby and be dissappointed now and then, than be "Bah Humbug" all the time, with the occasional surprise of joy. I doubt I've converted any Eeyores out there into Tiggers, but I needed to get that off my chest! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 On the other hand, maybe they are realists.Look at it this way. There are possibly more gimei out there than shoshin. Then take into account it has been 75 years since the war. In that time, many of the swords with decent signatures have been through shinsa. And many swords have come out of Japan...especially onces that would not have passed shinsa or been bounced. Along with whatever the eBay sellers there dumped on the market that had no local interest in Japan.So you have 75 years of semi decent swords having a chance to be papered. And a ton of average stuff coming out of Japan. And even the "out of the woodwork" swords have reduced in the West. No..of course they haven't stopped, and of course there are still shoshin swords out there to be discovered. Lots of them. But the ratio to gimei? I don't find it so unusual that the first and easiest call is gimei when we see these swords pop up.The one thing that people SHOULD learn to accept, is the fact that gimei doesn't make a bad sword. And should not be the end of a collection. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promo Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 I did not have the feeling nor the impression that people in here tried to make me believe my blade was gimei. Some thought this way, some said there are chances. At least that was opposite to the Wehrmacht-Awards Forum where I originally asked. Funnily some members there who in public told me my blade is a Gimei on the other hand sent private messages asking if I would sell it. This did not happen in here and I really enjoyed the discussion since I also learnt some new terms. During all of this process it was very interesting for me to see that most were highly reluctant. Especially if someone like Darcy tells you he does not dare to give an opinion and it should be looked at in Japan, I heard exactly the same from the contacts in Germany from the European NBTHK. The final conclusion of those was that it has differences from known samples, yet all of them said it needs to be looked at at very high level plus told me to go through the risk and hassle to get it to Japan. I've also been told in private by some that most out of Japan and/or without having it in hand would not dare to either call it original or gimei because if Japan said this or that, well then they would in public be the ones that said exactly opposite to Japan. Anyway, all of this encouraged me to get the blade to Japan through a contact in German. I followed all of the recommendations this person gave me, and so far everything was more than 100% correct and I'm highly satisfied with my decisions and really curious to see the result of the polish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Georg, if your contact says yes, please recommend him here. Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oshy Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 I can see merit for both sides of the coin here, however telling someone their piece may be worth a fortune or straight up saying its gimei without proper explanation can be a bit deceiving or falsely build up their expectations. Excited to see the pictures after polish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisW Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 I think we are all very excited to see the final results. Any ETA on when that might be? I know it will likely be a while as polishing has to be meticulously done to prevent possible damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promo Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 It was approx one year until I got confirmation of it being original, that includes export to Japan. From what I learnt quite fast. No idea how long polishing takes, not much worried on this at all. Can‘t go much wrong from now on, quality is more important than speed. And since I‘ve been asked, everything is handled by japanische-schwert-galerie of Germany. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Thank you Georg. Im sure our German members appreciate that. Hope im around to see the end of this one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promo Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 If you had been last year‘s European NBTHK gathering in Munich, that was where a personal and local friend of who is also into Nihonto handed it over.. you may had been able to take a look at it there. Well, now I am highly looking forward to get it back! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanto54 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Hi Georg, Best of luck. Just to help with your and others' possible misconception: when you say "Can‘t go much wrong from now on", unfortunately that's not really correct. Actually, a lot can go wrong and often does go wrong even with the very best polish in Japan. A polish will often reveal previously hidden defects or core steel, so you still need to be "keeping your fingers crossed" for a good outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Darling Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 I live for the day to see the papers. All my best wishes. Tom D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doomsdaymachine Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 This thread is incredible! One day, when I get big and strong, I will make a find like this. For now, I can't wait to see the end result of the polish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaglory Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 That must have felt GREAT! How nerve wracking! Actually now that I look back on it a year later (and wiser), the blade looks pretty good! Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfson Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 Congratulations Georg, this is a dream come true. Many of us collectors spend decades collecting and don't have such a fortunate find, so you have done very, very well. I also look forward to seeing the final result after polish etc. Do you plan to submit it to the highest level of papers it can get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katsujinken Posted April 30, 2020 Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 This was a fun one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promo Posted October 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Short update: the blade finished polish (by Saito Tsukasa, a Mukansa polisher), now carries a double gold habaki and has a new shirasaya. It will now go to NBTHK for papering again. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gakusee Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Well done so far, congrats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geraint Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Dear George. This is a wonderful story with a wonderful outcome. My imagination is working over time on what your sword looks like now, can't wait to to see pictures when it returns to you. Are you planning on having the koshirae restored as well? Given the age of the sword this is most likely it's original outfit. All the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Myself, as the person who messaged you on WA and told you to come here, I am personally very, very glad at this outcome. It is a huge success story for the forum and is one of those dreams that we all wish would happen to us. Congrats Georg. I am so glad I was on WA at the time and was able to steer you here, and that you followed advice. This is going to look amazing in polish and will live on for many hundreds of years. Bravo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 This is a great story Georg, congratulations. I haven't checked back through the posts but I think I was probably one of the ones that suggested caution. I think this is due in part to the very, very high numbers of fakes of this smith in existence and partly my naturally pessimistic view of life that such good things don't happen. I am delighted to be proven wrong and that such fairy tales do come true. I look forward to seeing the blade in polish. Congratulations 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vajo Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Wish you all the best George for success with the blade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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