Baka Gaijin Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Here's a visual treat in two volumes: 尚古鎧色一覧 Shōko Gaishoku ichiran Colours of Ancient Armour lacing. Fom Waseda University Library Volume 1: http://archive.wul.waseda.ac.jp/kosho/ke05/ke05_00230/ke05_00230_0002/ke05_00230_0002.html Volume 2: http://archive.wul.waseda.ac.jp/kosho/ke05/ke05_00230/ke05_00230_0001/ke05_00230_0001.html 3 Quote
TETSUGENDO Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Great material Malcolm. Cheers, -S- 1 Quote
uwe Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Thanks Malcolm, nice find! I think I’ve seen that before, but can not remember where.... Quote
Luc T Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Malcolm, can you give a bit of explanation? Quote
Guest Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Good morning StevenK, Luc & Uwe., It's said to be originally from 本朝軍器考(新井君美) Honchō-gun-ki kō (Arai-kun-bi) better known as 新井 白石 Arai Hakuseki (1657 - 1725) However read on and, with JoA's help, we've discovered something rather special. The National Diet Library has a photostat of a reprint of the 2 volumes from c.1901 in the section relating to Arai Hakuseki http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/771930?fbclid=IwAR33JbWXI7qi_TPiFrT7-BFRihnrIqAGebrfuvzOLeyATnRq0DulNyLe_XI http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/771931?fbclid=IwAR3N523sUEDzrlrUZ9rPVX2xiT5Vfg62mm3PwzxBCjer46vwTtdOw-K4hng At the National Diet Library it is listed as: 故実叢書. 尚古鎧色一覧（本間百里） Kojitsusōsho. Shōko Gaishoko ichiran (Honma Hyakuri) The publisher of the c.1901 reprint in Tokyo is down as 吉川弘文館 Yoshikawa Koubunkan The compiler is down as 今泉, 定助, Imaizumi, Sadasuke (1863-1944) 本間百里 Honma Hyakuri shows as a late Edo publisher of books c.1850 The colour versions at Waseda Uni say pretty much the same Parts of it featured in: The armour book in Honcho-Gunkiko Hakuseki,. Arai Published by The Holland Press, London UK, 1964 Edited by H Russell Robinson Here's one on Grey's excellent site: http://www.japaneseswordbooksandtsuba.com/store/books/b547-armour-book-honcho-gunkiko-hakuseki Oh, and here's one volume for sale in Japan: https://www.kosho.or.jp/products/detail.php?product_id=62366196 (Thanks to JoA for his input) 2 Quote
IanB Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Malcolm, I think there is, or was, a copy in the Royal Armouries' library. There were a lot of such old Japanese books but they disappeared when H. Russell-Robinson died (long before my time there). I think they were his own personal copies and his wife pulled them out. I ended up finding the two volume work on 'The Lives of common soldiers' that had been his which I bought in a shop in Nottingham of all places. Ian Quote
Guest Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Good morning Ian., I trust you and God's own County are both bathed in sunlight, and the gentle lilt of a Banjo seamlessly melds with the sound of a whippet barking in the middle distance, whilst Campari chills, awaiting both Sun and Yardarm to come to perfect balance. For years, I assumed that HRR was BWR's brother. What is the title of "The lives of common Soldiers" in Japanese please. 1 Quote
Luc T Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 right, I own a copy of Arai Hakuseki's honcho hon kiko... that's where it comes form. Thank You! Quote
Luc T Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 the problem with too many books is that when you finish the last one, you forgot the first so you can start all over... quite frustrating if you aske me Quote
JoA Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Malcolm, Excellent find. Small correction though, the title is "shōko gaishoku ichiran". The original (as in your Waseda link) is from 1833 (very rare now as you can also see in your link to the one for sale). The reprint is from 1901. Are you sure about the link with the Honchō gunkikō? (I mean the original, not the one from H.R. Robinson) Jo p.s. The title of the ashigaru book is 雑兵物語 Quote
Guest Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Thank You very much Jo, I see my mistake, I read the Kun readings for 鎧 色. and was beguiled .... As to the link with Honchō Gunkikō, I was going on the illustrations in H Russell Robinson's Book which I mentioned above. But it's worth a bit more digging to get to the truth of it. And also thank you for 雑兵物語 Zōhyō monogatari Which I have already found about two years ago at the NDL: http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/2609247?tocOpened=1&fbclid=IwAR3kqVMWxJsqkC0j7u9rkYjgOkSpi4Fb9D9PjBgky5zEfRv0voFCT1j3wB8 There are some great illustrations in there. Quote
TETSUGENDO Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Malcolm, Many thanks for all, the reading material, and the unexpected nostalgia. Cheers, -S- p.s.-Campari and misspent youth....few made it to 11, let alone noon. 1 Quote
IanB Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Yup, Zobyo Monogatari - its a late edition with the black and white illustrations. BTW. hate to have to say this but the Campari has gone to the back of the cupboard and I am now on Apero. Ian 1 Quote
TETSUGENDO Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Aperol is very pleasant straight, but on the rocks, or in a Negroni I still prefer Campari......If I'm looking to cut back on carbs/calories/alcohol, I simply drink less. -S- Quote
Guest Posted March 25, 2019 Report Posted March 25, 2019 Good afternoon Jo, I have been on both databases at the NDL and Waseda most of the morning and It looks like the original attribution in the H Russell Robinson to Honcho Gunkiko and Arai Hakuseki is incorrect. The original author is Honma Hyakuri, first published in 1834, then reprinted in 1901 (According to Waseda) or c.1906 (according to NDL) http://wine.wul.waseda.ac.jp/search/t?SEARCH=%E5%B0%9A%E5%8F%A4%E9%8E%A7%E8%89%B2%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7 http://dl.ndl.go.jp/search/searchResult?searchWord=%E5%B0%9A%E5%8F%A4%E9%8E%A7%E8%89%B2%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7&facetOpenedNodeIds=&featureCode=all&viewRestrictedList=0&pageNo=2 I've had a look of the sections depicting swords and armour in Honcho Gunkiko and the style is totally different I am now really interested to find out if this was a totally original work in 1834, or whether there was something along the lines of O Uma Jirushi, but for armour lacing, which preceded it. I'll keep you posted if something interesting surfaces. 2 Quote
JoA Posted March 26, 2019 Report Posted March 26, 2019 Malcolm, I have a scroll somewhere with similar drawings but no idea about the date... I checked in a book of 1952 where the Honcho Gunkiko is printed and could not find any such drawings. I have somewhere a complete and old Honcho Gunkiko, but I can't remember where I put it.. Somewhere in a box as I live small and everything is in boxes So I can't check it to be 100% sure. I will try to ask around as several years ago, this book was used in an armour meeting here in Japan to introduce sode, so somebody may have an idea what the real origin is, before 1833/4... Jo 1 Quote
Guest Posted March 26, 2019 Report Posted March 26, 2019 Brilliant! it would be really cool to find the original as an emakimono....... 1 Quote
yellowcat Posted November 16, 2019 Report Posted November 16, 2019 I just came across this thread. I have the two volumes printed in 1901. Here is my video review. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=6-_-EJVSqsY&feature=emb_logo Fe 3 Quote
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