raaay Posted March 21, 2019 Report Posted March 21, 2019 I just recently acquired this kozuka handle, I really liked it and had to have it, no idea what school just plucking out a wild guess , Goto school ? 1 Quote
Nikanoru Posted March 23, 2019 Report Posted March 23, 2019 Could you please show the ura (back) side? Is it copper or gilded with any kind of yasurime (file marks)? Quote
raaay Posted March 24, 2019 Author Report Posted March 24, 2019 Hi Alex the ura side is gold gilded with a cat scratch finish all over . Quote
raaay Posted March 27, 2019 Author Report Posted March 27, 2019 No comments at all ! on the design or school . Quote
Nikanoru Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 If it’s really nekogaki[cat scratch]-yasurime then it’s not Goto. Goto were more about sujikai-yasurime. Some details tell me it could be Waki-Goto subject to file marks on the back. Nanako looks fine. Motif is beginning of spring, February, plum tree flowers. But something is still bugging me about this kozuka. Maybe it’s just color repro on the pic. What is the weight of the kozuka? Quote
Curran Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Shooting from the hip, I thought Waki-Goto too. It is kinda on the edge of that, and might end up getting called 'Kyo-kinko' by the NBTHK. ie. Not mainline Goto. Somewhere more waki-Goto edge of the knife Kyo(to)-kinko. Quote
raaay Posted March 27, 2019 Author Report Posted March 27, 2019 ok, thanks to Alex and Curran for your help , I am not sure I have set of scales to hand but, I will take some photos of the ura side and post ASAP which will confirm the detailing on the back , I may have got it wrong , but the pics should help ! Quote
raaay Posted March 28, 2019 Author Report Posted March 28, 2019 As requested more info on my kozuka , weight = 24 grams , plus pic of Ura side . Quote
raaay Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Posted April 2, 2019 Just wondering if there is any more input, after the updated request for the ura side and weight ? Quote
Nikanoru Posted April 3, 2019 Report Posted April 3, 2019 I'm afraid it could be cast, a hamamono. Too light, poorly gilded (looks like painted), pure copper. I didn't want to voice it until I see the ura side. To tell for sure you need to analyze the details for chisel marks but it could be also hand finished. And of course, the price you paid could be also a good indicative. Quote
raaay Posted April 4, 2019 Author Report Posted April 4, 2019 Alex , thanks for your reply , In hand I would say the gold gilding is just slightly rubbed on the ura side in areas that have been handled , and to me it looks gilded not patinated but I'm no expert , I have not attempted to clean any of the crud of the Nanako etc. so it may look better after a light clean . either way I like the subject mater and design , and the cost , it was a good deal for me as far as I am concerned Quote
1kinko Posted April 4, 2019 Report Posted April 4, 2019 Is there such a thing as a cast kozuka? Casting such a thin hollow shape is much more difficult than soldering the 2 sides together. Embossed, possibly, but not cast I think. Anyway, this is easily resolved by looking for the solder lines along the sides and the join area on the koguichi. Quote
Nikanoru Posted April 12, 2019 Report Posted April 12, 2019 Is there such a thing as a cast kozuka? Casting such a thin hollow shape is much more difficult than soldering the 2 sides together. Embossed, possibly, but not cast I think. Anyway, this is easily resolved by looking for the solder lines along the sides and the join area on the koguichi. Goto casting molds, menuki, kogai, kozuka... 2 Quote
Ford Hallam Posted April 13, 2019 Report Posted April 13, 2019 Alex, these are not casting moulds. Rather they are actually impressions taken from finished pieces as a record of a studios productions. The material is a fine grained white clay. The darker models are also simply records of finished pieces. In this case a mould was taken, possibly with clay as above, and ward pitch (matsuyani) was pressed in to create the impressions. 6 Quote
Frank B Posted April 13, 2019 Report Posted April 13, 2019 I was about to say, thank you for clearing that up Ford. Quote
Ford Hallam Posted April 13, 2019 Report Posted April 13, 2019 happy to help, Frank. In fact I may do a little film of this subject, it may be of interest. 7 Quote
Frank B Posted April 13, 2019 Report Posted April 13, 2019 That'd be very informative, I'm sure many would appreciate it. 1 Quote
Blazeaglory Posted April 14, 2019 Report Posted April 14, 2019 Very interesting! Even "back then" they took copies, so to speak, for future study. But Japanese seemed to be ahead of their time anyways. I mean, man has always tried to keep record but this is of actual jewelry/fittings type work. I would love too learn the history of such things! Quote
Nikanoru Posted May 7, 2019 Report Posted May 7, 2019 Alex, these are not casting moulds. Rather they are actually impressions taken from finished pieces as a record of a studios productions. The material is a fine grained white clay. The darker models are also simply records of finished pieces. In this case a mould was taken, possibly with clay as above, and ward pitch (matsuyani) was pressed in to create the impressions. Cool! I didn't know that. Thanks. Though I remember reading somewhere about Goto casting menuki... And held few cast kozuka, those are really easy to distinguish from a real one when you hold both in hands. Quote
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