Opinions On Hawk Tsuba

[TheGermanBastard]

No, I am unforzunately not the lucky owner but would appreciate some oppinions on it in order to learn. I thought this to be a very nicely made later Edo Periode Tsuba. It just sold for close to 2.500 USD (including premium) on a floor auction.

[Brian]

I think we have seen this one before here, in multiple guises...and recently, and I think it is mass produced. Someone probably paid about 10x too much.

[vajo]

For me it looks like a beautifull tsuba.

[TheGermanBastard]

I think we have seen this one before here, in multiple guises...and recently, and I think it is mass produced. Someone probably paid about 10x too much.

 

Did you look at the images I posted? What makes you think this is a mass pruced 200 bucks Tsuba?

 

I see no hint of this being a mass produced tsuba but think it is infact very well made and probably worth what the high bidder paid.

[Brian]

I'm glad you see real quality there. Where is it hiding?

[ROKUJURO]

Luis,

I think it is a quite good one, but a late one. Unfortunately I can't read the MEI. MUNE....something?

[christianmalterre]

i think i have seen it also somewhere in past.....

here on the board, i hard guess.....

 

do let the Kinko Front head forward....

(i am far off to collect or even take my time with Kinko....sorry)

 

Brian is but right in his first thought i guess.....seems known and spoken about already.....i just do know i have seen it already.

 

me

[vajo]

The quality of the whole motif is fine. Jean it's late edo or meji. The nicest Tsuba comes from the period. I like it.

Old is not something that i'm very interested in. The tsuba must be nice. Thats all good for me.

[Frank B]

The quality of the whole motif is fine. Jean it's late edo or meji. The nicest Tsuba comes from the period. I like it.

Old is not something that i'm very interested in. The tsuba must be nice. Thats all good for me.

I'd disagree that the nicest tsuba come from late edo/meiji. 

[christianmalterre]

maybe some more higher resolution pictures would revail more details ?

 

answer enough....

[TETSUGENDO]

It's a very nice piece, but compared to the masterworks of this motif it is rather pedestrian......that's why it only brought what it did.  It lacks the "life", and tension of the best works, I think of this era as Japans "Helenistic period".....where's the drama?

 

-S-

[TheGermanBastard]

@ Steven: Do you think it is a mass produced piece in the 250 USD Range?

[TETSUGENDO]

Luis,

 

No.

 

-S-

[Frank B]

Luis, I dont think it's a mass produced tsuba. However, it's by no means a masterpiece. It looks like a remedial take on a classic Ishiguro theme. 

[TheGermanBastard]

Well, I did not expect it to be a master piece but a pretty nice - none massproduced - Tsuba. Obviously some do not agree and have a different oppinion.

 

I think it is a late Edo or even Meiji piece. The potential maker would help. I was watching it when it had a start price of 500 USD. I did not expect it to sell for so much money though. While 2500 USD is not the price tag of a master piece, it is a price tag attached to a wel above average Tsuba. Really well above average ... so I wondered what others thought about it.

[Frank B]

In my opinion, money can be spent in better places.

[Frank B]

From memory, there is a very nice Myochin tsuba with Hirata shippo inlays for the exact same price on Grey's site. Which is better in my eyes. 

[Pete Klein]

Never mind.  I'm over it.

[Brian]

I'd like your take on this Pete.

[Pete Klein]

From what I can see in the images it's a poor attempt at a copy of an Ishigro and wasn't worth the strike price.  It lacks both depth and finesse in execution.

[Frank B]

From what I can see in the images it's a poor attempt at a copy of an Ishigro and wasn't worth the strike price.  It lacks both depth and finesse in execution.

I agree, that matches my thoughts above.

[Stephen]

What say ye Sir Ford?

[Soshin]

Opinions are irrelevant resistance is futile, you will be assimilated your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own...   sorry about that... the tsuba it looks like a late Edo Period work of nice quality.  It was up for auction at a auction house in Europe a few months ago.  I watched it but didn't bid.     

[Barrie B]

FWIW and if anyone wants to do a comparison, similar themed Tsuba can be seen in: ​The Isiguro School of Japanese Sword Fittings Artists (Ishiguro Koreyoshi) pp.68 and Japanese Swords and Sword Furniture in the Boston Museum of Fine Arts (Natsuo) pp. 320 & 321.

 

Barrie.