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Bruce Pennington Grand Master

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In addition to the shinsa response, here's an additional reason we are seeing registered gunto coming our of Japan. It doen't expain them all, but likely accounts for a portion of them. Trystan found this page:

 

"I found this article talking about the papered semi-forged(Nontraditional made) blade(Gunto),it's in Japanes .

 

 

 

http://www.eiwado.co.jp/inquiry2.html

 

半鍛錬の軍刀でも親族の遺品等であった場合には特例の処置もあるようですので各都道府県教育委員会に問い合わせてみましょう。

 

Roughly transilated :If you have a semi-forged(Nontraditional made)sword it was once belong to family member who died in war, and then it will be treated specially ,please contact local Education Committee.

 

So that might explain why some showa to got the registered.

 

 

 

Some one says： 昭和26年至33年之間，以陣亡將士代表紀念品「遺骨代」為名目，申請登錄之各式軍刀不在少數。但昭和33年之後，便修法不再發給這類刀劍登錄許可了。

 

Between Showa 26-33 year1951-1958 , Many Gunto were registered as memento of the fallen soldiers (Subject "the remains of the bones". After Showa 33 year 1958, Goverment change the law, no longer issued the sword registeration license to these nontraditional made gunto ."

 

Original post (#294) here: http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/26165-attention-mantetsu-owners-a-survey/page-10

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Okay, I thought with Trystan’s find we finally had a reply but then, how do you explain this already posted sword? Look at the registration date. Unless I’m missing something of course...

 

https://www.Japanese-sword-katana.jp/katana/1910-1104.htm

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現在我が国にはおよそ２５０万振りの日本刀が登録されております。昭和２６年に銃砲刀剣類登録証が発行されるようになり既に６０年の歳月が経ちますが、未だに数多くの日本刀が新規に登録されております。今後も更に登録手続きの済んでいない数多くの日本刀が出てくると思われます。この機会に改めて登録証の有無を確認して頂ければと思います。無登録の刀が発見されるケースは様々です。引っ越しや実家の整理などで物置などから発見される場合や建物の改築に伴い屋根裏や床下から出てくるケース。また中には親族の遺品として譲り受けたが登録証の行方が分からない物、GHQより出された許可証をそのまま知らずに所持しているといったケースもあります。もし家の中から登録証の無いものが出てきた時はまずその所轄の警察署の生活安全課に行き発見届けの申請を行いましょう。時々実家の整理をしていたら刀が出てきたので一旦自分の住んでいる場所に持ち帰り改めて発見届けをしようとする人がいますが、必ず刀が発見された地域の所轄の警察署へ届け出るようにしましょう。また発見届けはその刀が出てきた家の世帯主が申請をしますが事情によってはご家族の方でも構いません。ただし第三者が発見届けの申請を代行する事は出来ませんのでくれぐれも注意致しましょう。発見届けの申請に必要なものは発見された刀と印鑑です。発見届けの申請用紙は各警察署の生活安全課に備えてありますので刀が発見された場所、日時やいきさつを説明すれば発見届けの書類を作成しくれます。発見届けの際は刀が錆びていても研いだりせずに発見された時のままの状態で手続きをしましょう。よく発見届けをしに警察署へ行くと逆にその場で罰せられたり刀を没収されたりするのではと心配する方がいますがそのような事は決してありません。また絶対外へ持ち出さずにずっと家の中にしまっておけば発見届けの申請が必要ないと思っている方もおりますが、家から持ち出さなくても無登録の刀剣類を所持していると銃刀法違反になりe ますので必ず発見届けを申請しましょう。

Roughly translate by using google translate:Currently, there are about 2.5 million Japanese swords registered in Japan. It has been 60 years since the registration certificate for firearms and swords was issued in 1951, but many Japanese swords are still registered. In the future, many Japanese swords that have not yet been registered will appear. I would like to check the registration certificate again at this opportunity. There are various cases where unregistered swords are discovered. Cases that come out of the attic or under the floor as a result of renovation of a building or when it is discovered from a storeroom, such as when moving or organizing a house. There are also cases where you have been handed over as a relic of a relative but you do not know the whereabouts of the registration card, or you still have the license issued by GHQ without knowing it. If something without a registration card comes out from your house, first go to the Life Safety Division of the police station in your area and apply for a discovery report. Sometimes the sword came out if I was organizing my home, so there are people who take it home once and try to report it again, but be sure to report it to the local police station where the sword was found Let's. In addition, the householder of the house where the sword came out applies for the discovery report, but depending on the circumstances, it may be a family member. However, please be aware that third parties are not able to apply for discovery notification. What you need to apply for a discovery report is a discovered sword and a seal. The application form for discovery notification is prepared in the Life Safety Division of each police station, so if you explain the place, date and time where the sword was discovered, it will create a discovery notification document. If you find a sword, do not sharpen it even if the sword is rusty. Some people are worried that if they go to the police station to report, they will be punished on the spot or the sword will be confiscated. Also, some people think that if you keep them in the house without taking them outside, you do not need to apply for discovery. Be sure to apply for a discovery report because it is a violation of the sword.

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16k Grand Master

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Wow, Trystan, that is indeed a historic find you made there! Thank you for making our knowledge progress.

 

Those threads are amazing! I have the feeling that in the latest months, knowledge of modern swords history has made giants leaps!

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Wow, Trystan, that is indeed a historic find you made there! Thank you for making our knowledge progress.

 

Those threads are amazing! I have the feeling that in the latest months, knowledge of modern swords history has made giants leaps!

We are all here to share and learn from each other :)

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登録証が交付されない刀の例として昭和期に制作された半鍛錬の軍刀（茎に桜やイカリの刻印がある）やサーベルなどの外国製の刀剣類は対象外となり登録証は交付されません。ただし軍刀の中には美術的又は骨董的価値のある刀をあえて軍刀として仕立て直されたものがありますので全ての軍刀が必ずしも登録されないと言う事はありませんのでご注意ください。また登録証が発行されない場合でも刀がすぐその場で没収される事はありませんので安心してください。半鍛錬の軍刀でも親族の遺品等であった場合には特例の処置もあるようですので各都道府県教育委員会に問い合わせてみましょう。

Examples of swords for which a registration certificate is not issued are semi-forged military swords (with cherry blossoms and anchors engraved on the stem) and foreign-made swords such as sabers made in the Showa period, and are not issued a registration certificate. . However, please note that not all military swords are necessarily registered because some military swords have artistic or antique value and have been remade as military swords. Also, please be assured that the sword will not be immediately confiscated on the spot even if the registration certificate is not issued. There seems to be exceptions for even semi-forged  swords that have been relics of relatives, so please inquire at each prefectural board of education.

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2 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said:

Thanks Trystan.  So, it is a discussion posted by someone about the registration process.  He gave an example, posted above, but it's not necessarily a quote from the regulation.  But if accurate/complete, it's still a bit of evidence to add to the ongoing debate.

Yes,It's a Japanese sword business that introduces/explains the sword regulations/register in Japan.

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