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Bishu Osafune Norimitsu, Kazu-Uchi Mono?

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Hello, was looking for an opinion on this Wakizashi, nagasa 20 11/16 inch's. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I think I have narrowed it down to the Kozori school. Signed Bishu Osafune Norimitsu which I know is indicative of Kazu-uchi mono, so can we say this Norimitsu is kazu-uchi mono? Thank you for any help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I haven't been able to find much detailed information on the Kozori Norimitsu line, I'm thinking one of the later generations maybe 6 or 8th generation but can't seem to pinpoint it.

lonely panet Grand Master

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The jssus did a great 2 part series on sue Kyoto swords. A great read and

 

Malcom cox did a very interesting essay on sue Bizen kiyomitsu if your interested. I printed my off the net. If you need the link I can find it

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Thank you for your help Adam and Hamfish, it is greatly appreciated. Hamfish I would be interested in the article it sounds like an interesting read. Thank You again guys.

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Thank you Jacques D., On Feb 20, The Japanese Canadian Cultural Center is holding their Token Kai, so I will bring it there for more insight. Just found out that they have a token kai at a lecture put on by a Japanese trained Swordsmith Pierre Nadeau from Quebec. It was a very good little lecture.

vajo Grand Master

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From my rookie point of view. This is a very nice sword. I see a lot of activity. It has a nice length as an o-wakizashi and the shape is very good.  Please tell me what is wrong with that nice sword? Sometimes the board makes me crazy lol.

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Ray Singer Grand Master

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There's nothing to my eyes that would indicate a kazuuchi mono, and I doubt that my assessment would change if seen in-hand.

 

Sue-Bizen kazuuchi mono typically looks like these examples. Poorly forged, with loose and coarse jihada. A hamon that tends to be diffuse, poorly defined with inconsistent nioi-guchi and large areas of shimiru.

 

http://www.aoijapan.com/img/sword/2010/10289-2.jpg

http://www.aoijapan.com/img/sword/2015/15589-4.jpg

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Ray Singer Grand Master

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Tsuruta-san puts these pieces in the normal areas of his site (katana, wakizashi, tanto), but seems to offer his honest assessment of whether he feels the sword is a kazuuchi mono.

 

https://www.aoijapan.net/katana-bishu-osafune-kiyomitsueiroku-6-nen-2-gatsu-hi/

 

 

Ray, are those the sort of things one finds in the "suitable for iai" sections on Aoi or other sites?

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TheGermanBastard

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Impossible to say if it is kazu-uchi mono or not without having it in hands (for someone with enough knowledge).... 

 

Nonsense. This is an excellent sword. If you can't tell this at 1st sight you need new glasses.

 

Congrats on this sword. Prisitine polsih, too.

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Thank you Nihonto collector, i fell in love with it, but it was the price that really drew me in, paid 1100 cnd. just couldn't pass it up. It came with a nice Shira saya and koshirae saya.

 

TheGermanBastard

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Just the polish is worth more than you paid. I can not say if the sword is Gimei or Shoshin but the workmanship is very nice and the pilish is very good, too. This grade of polish would cost around 100USD / inch with most polishers. If the blade came out of Japan without papers then it is likely Gimei. Without discussing the Mei I can say that you got a nice quality piece at an abslute bargain price!

 

there is much too look at enjoy! I hoep you will appreciate the swords for a long time.

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Dwayne, please set up your signature to show at least your first name on ALL of your posts, per Brian's rules.

 

You've done a good job of displaying your new blade, but I hope you realize that the shirasaya is the preferred way to store a blade, rather than in koshirae. Correctly-made shirasaya are intended to keep out moisture, which will prevent your blade from rusting. Koshirae were intended for battle, not storage.

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Jacques D. Grand Master

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Nonsense. This is an excellent sword. If you can't tell this at 1st sight you need new glasses.

 

Congrats on this sword. Prisitine polsih, too.

 

Saying it is an excellent sword based on few pictures is to my eyes nonsense, I'm experienced enough to say it's really difficult to distinguish an art sword from a good practical weapon. It's why i never bought and will never buy a sword without having it in hands even if it's juyo...

 

Last words on this topic.

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vajo Grand Master

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Jacques the term art sword itself is nonsense. It was created to rescue the swordmaking after loosing the war.

 

Japanese edged weapons are first weapons and art objects as a second. The Term art swords is for collectors who dont want to be a weapon collector. Thats my thoughts ????

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Looks a decent made sword with well finished nakago, not something i would associate with junky kazu-uchi mono. 

 

kazu-uchi mono seems to be one of those "bracket" subjects that folk try and fit everything into.

 

At that time, smiths were blasting out all levels of swords, some obviously mass produced, and some "good"  but suppose they could still be described as mass produced.

 

For the best of the bunch, look for longer mei, although not always the case.

 

I like to see bo-hi etc, and date on sue Bizen.

 

Sometimes you see really good bizen with scruffy mei.

 

Judge the sword on its own merits.

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