Help Needed With Blade Inscribed Nagasone Kotetsu Nyudon Okasone

[b.hennick]

The second side is difficult for me. All help will be appreciated.

 

 

[mywei]

Mittsu-do kiriotoshi kore Yamano Kanjuro Hisahide 三ツ胴（切）落之　山野勘十郎久英　Cut through 3 bodies by Yamano Kanjuro Hisahide 

 

don't quite understand the date after October  

寛文壬子孟冬(?サ/廿)一鳥　　Kanbun mizunoe-ne moutou 1672 October __　?21st

[uwe]

Matt,

 

I struggle also with the last kanji.."鳥". Couldn´t find an appropriate meaning?!

[SteveM]

I struggled with the two after 孟冬 until I found a similar inscription on another blade, and was satisfied that it was indeed "21".

https://kougetsudo.info/nagasoneokimasa-kotetsu/

(about the second one down. Inscribed with the date of "February 25th" using this same kanji)

 

Actually, what I should have done was look for alternative kanji for 廿, which would have saved me time, but I was stuck going down several dead ends before realizing it was "21".

https://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u5eff-itaiji-001

 

Which brings me to the last one 鳥 (tori) or possibly 烏 (karasu), and here I throw my towel in the ring as well because I have no clue as to the usage of this. I presume it is another way of writing 日 (day), because the number 21 by itself would be strange. It needs something, some kind of counter after the numeral. Tori, when used in a compound word, is read as "chō", so I also wonder if there is some wordplay when read as a compound word 廿一鳥 (nijūicchō), that I am oblivious to. 

 

Also, the poetic usage of 孟冬 (mōtō) for October, along with the slightly idiosyncratic kanji used for "21", hints that the writer/inscriber might also pick a distinctive or unusual kanji variant for day as well. But this is as far as I got. I haven't seen tori or karasu used in place of day before.   

 

Would love to hear from Markus or Morita-san, or anyone familiar with this. Or Moriyama-san, who seems to have gone quiet lately. Anyway, very interesting inscription. 

[b.hennick]

Thanks for your assistance! It is greatly appreciated.

[Bugyotsuji]

https://kotobank.jp/word/烏-438156

 

A quick look at Karasu gives a third meaning of 太陽 ‘the sun’. Whether this can be a poetic exchange for 日 or not, I know not. And as to whether people used to see black spots on the sun’s surface way back when...?

Ref: An old Chinese saying that there is a three-legged crow in the sun.

https://kotobank.jp/word/金烏-480756#E3.83.87.E3.82.B8.E3.82.BF.E3.83.AB.E5.A4.A7.E8.BE.9E.E6.B3.89

[ROKUJURO]

Barry,

the MEI on your blade should read NAGASONE KOTETSU NYUDO OKISATO, but when comparing with items in the internet I have seen several different ways of writing, like NAGASONE OKISATO NYUDO KOTETSU, or even NAGASONE OKISATO KOTETSU NYUDO. 

[b.hennick]

That is one reason that the blade is going to shinsa.

[Peter Bleed]

This has bells and whistles. It is why shinsas exist. I wish you well, but I am not certain what outcome I would predict. My track record with Okisatos is not good.

Good luck.

Peter

[b.hennick]

I think that I once heard that for every 10 eleven are fakes.

[Doug]

http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/3909-gimei-and-the-lazy-genius/

 

A great thread started by Reinhard I stumbled across that I thought interesting and relevant.