vajo Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 These days i read often from things from the battleship nagato. Here is a Kai Gunto Minatogawa Blade worn by the captain from the Battleship Nagato. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SA40-Japanese-Samurai-Sword-IJN-Navy-Kaigunto-Minatogawa-Masatada-65-0-CM/143007924057?hash=item214befbf59:g:f1oAAOSwteFb5joe I wonder there where hundreds of ships. Battleships, carrier, cruisers, destroyer and submarines. But i read mostly of the nagato. Where are all the other kai gunto? And is it possible that the captain of a important surrender ship has his sword bring back to Japan? Quote
EdWolf Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 Hi Chris, Can’t tell you something about battleships and where all the other kai gunto swords are but I do know where two kai-gunto swords are Best regards, Ed 3 Quote
Ontario_Archaeology Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 I saw that post too, Chris. The captain listed was not on the Nagato long, Hayakawa Mikio (1894-1945) 1943-8-2 Commander, BB Nagato 1943-11-1 Rear admiral 1943-12-15 Commander, Destroyer Squadron 2 1944-11-11 Vice admiral Killed in action Maybe he had a different sword made for every time he was transferred? Maybe the Nagato had a special place in his heart? Maybe its one big ebay scam. (I don't know if the mei actually says "Minamogawa Jinja Masatada" and on the reverse "1943, worn by Hayakawa Mikio, Captain of Battleship Nagato.") It just seems like a strange wording "worn by" instead of "made for" or something more fancy. Maybe it is a translation issue. Just throwing out some ideas. Matt Quote
vajo Posted November 13, 2018 Author Report Posted November 13, 2018 Nice ones Ed. Thanks Matt. There where a lot of surrender ships from the Japanese Navy. The Kai Gunto in the ebay offer looks genuine to me. The chip is very deep and ugly. The sword is nice. Quote
gun addict Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 This is from the same seller that just sold a Gunto signed by Yamashita (tiger of Malay) and the fake imperial gift yasumitsu? Ehh. I’d precede with caution but it’s still a nice sword 1 Quote
C0D Posted November 13, 2018 Report Posted November 13, 2018 Masatada left the work at the shrine in 1942 due to illness and died in 1944.Hayakawa Mikio was on Nagato in 1943 2 Quote
vajo Posted November 13, 2018 Author Report Posted November 13, 2018 From Hermann Wallinga Minatogawa Book. Left picture is the ebay auction Really scary how many faked wartime gendaito came on ebay these days. 2 Quote
Ontario_Archaeology Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 to be honest, even if the story is fake, it is a decent example of a kai gunto. Matt 1 Quote
drb 1643 Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 So is the consensus that this is a "fake" Minatogawa sword? I'm sorry but I'm not fully understanding this thread. Tom Quote
vajo Posted November 14, 2018 Author Report Posted November 14, 2018 Yes Tom. This sword is not a Minatogawa sword. It is gimei. Quote
drb 1643 Posted November 14, 2018 Report Posted November 14, 2018 Thank you very much Vajo for responding. Tom Quote
EdWolf Posted November 15, 2018 Report Posted November 15, 2018 Hi Thomas, That's a very nice collection! Best regards, Ed 1 Quote
vajo Posted November 20, 2018 Author Report Posted November 20, 2018 The sword is sold US $4.450,00 Quote
Ooitame Posted November 20, 2018 Report Posted November 20, 2018 The sword is sold US $4.450,00 [/size] [/size] [/size] Wow! Quote
Martin P Posted November 20, 2018 Report Posted November 20, 2018 Wow, Thomas That is a nice collection. Choke, choke, just a few huh Cheers Martin Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted November 21, 2018 Report Posted November 21, 2018 That is a real shame, I got a nicer one for $1500 the other day: 2 Quote
vajo Posted November 21, 2018 Author Report Posted November 21, 2018 I saw this John but i had problems to verify the smith so i refer from bidding on it. Cheap buy, congratulations. Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted November 21, 2018 Report Posted November 21, 2018 I was not sure of the smith either but liked the sword anyway, got lucky if it's authentic, very nice Kai Gunto if it isn't: win/win for me. When it arrives I will inspect it closer and see if the signature matches Oshigata. 1 Quote
Ontario_Archaeology Posted November 21, 2018 Report Posted November 21, 2018 I saw that post too, I was tempted. It is a very nice Kai Gunto. Congratulations. I am glad it went to a member. Matt 1 Quote
drb 1643 Posted December 7, 2018 Report Posted December 7, 2018 Is this eBay Minatogawa also a gimei? Item #143035887467https://www.ebay.com/itm/143035887467Thank you all for your insight.Tom Quote
vajo Posted December 7, 2018 Author Report Posted December 7, 2018 Fake Masatada again. 100% Gimei What is wrong with that seller. Good to have the Wallinga book. Compare the mei with that other masatada what was sold. It is the same false mei. I think Komonjo has gimei guy on hand. Quote
vajo Posted December 7, 2018 Author Report Posted December 7, 2018 Yamaguchi was killed in action (04. June 1942), choosing to go down with the sinking aircraft carrier. Maybe only his sword was found So we wait for the next Masatada dedicated to: Shigetarō Teijirō Soemu Nobutake ... Quote
drb 1643 Posted December 7, 2018 Report Posted December 7, 2018 Thank you very much Vajo. I thought it was but just wanted confirmation. Tom Quote
IJASWORDS Posted December 7, 2018 Report Posted December 7, 2018 All the ones offered here have bright brassy yellow freshly engraved looking habaki. The original genuine ones I own/seen have lightly cut copper habaki. 1 Quote
Brian Posted December 8, 2018 Report Posted December 8, 2018 Enough of these, and a pattern of deliberate fraud starts to emerge. Maybe criminally so.Hmmmmm Quote
vajo Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Posted December 10, 2018 The fake Masatada has gone for $5.200 Wow! Quote
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