Real Or Fake?

[lotus]

 I am not a bronze guy but my first thought was this was one of those chinese fakes but perhaps I am incorrect. And the mei is on the wrong side...

[TETSUGENDO]

Patrick,

 

You are absolutely correct.....Chinese fake.

 

 

-S-

[lotus]

Currently 13 bids on it up to $522 now. How???

 

And this?

 

Expert's estimate

$1,390 - $1,630

[ggil]

I’ve seen this exact casting go for $900 on eBay, a few years ago. In that instance I was saved from

Buying it by an expert I met on this forum. Trust Steven he is looking out for you. Don’t worry, this Tsuba has tricked many many people over the years.

[lotus]

Yeah, it is currently fooling a number of people... Thankfully, I am not one of them!

[Stephen]

https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/20587371-red-copper-tsuba-with-gold-silver-brown-inlay-with-a-design-of-fudo-myo-o-acala-Japan-19th-century

[Kurikata]

You know them ?

 

 

Experts

Surya Rutten

Giovanni Bottero

[Sly]

Patrick,

 

Have a look at this thread :

 

http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/16069-signed-seishu-shakudo-tsuba/

 

Seems to be the genuine tsuba. Meiji period.

[Pete Klein]

[seattle1]

Hello:

 Any would be object that would not fit flatly, back and front, on a seppa ready for the koshirae cannot be considered a tsuba as it has lost any functional capacity irrespective of where it was made.

 Arnold F.

[vajo]

That bonhams tsuba looks "wischiwaschi" in its design. No clear and sharp lines to much "ducheinander" in colors. It looks more like Hamamono.

 

Compare it with that Tsuba:

[TETSUGENDO]

During Meiji/Taisho certain designs were produced in multiples, with or without variations, using traditional techniques ....they should not be confused with modern commercial cast reproductions.  The original pieces, produced solely as "objet d'art", can/do sell for multiple thousands of dollars.....the reproductions are valueless.  The relative merits of these pieces is up to each individual.....as far as the marketplace goes they have always found ready buyers and will, no doubt, continue to do so.

 

-S-

[lotus]

Say it isn't so!!!

 

Red copper tsuba with gold, silver, brown inlay with a design of Fudo Myo-o(Acala) - Japan - 19th century

Winning bid: $1,045

[TETSUGENDO]

'A foole & his money,

be soone at debate:

which after with sorrow,

repents him to late.'

 

    Thomas Tusser

 

 

              -S-

[vajo]

The Patination is fake. Look at the hands, it is painted.

[TETSUGENDO]

The surface is ridiculous, electroplating, chemical toner, and a bit of coldpainting, together with the obvious signs of casting the ersatz nature of this masterpiece is obvious.

 

-S-

[raaay]

yip,

 

another lovely Chinese fake , and one new happy owner ,

[Ford Hallam]

Chris S (Vajo)

 

excellent choice of tsuba, superb patination, wouldn't you say?

[vajo]

Ford i would love to have one of these three Tsuba (I think they are from MfA).

[Stephen]

Being this is real or fake thread.
What do we think of this. Cloud looks painted on.

 

[vajo]

From my noobish view its a massive bronce tsuba and not different metals which are patinated. I think it is colored.

[TETSUGENDO]

Stephen,

 

Same, more mass produced rubbish, the garish electroplating is really hideous. 

 

-S-

[Stephen]

Agreed 

 

for your amusement

 

  http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/f296408010

[TETSUGENDO]

This kind of fare seems a specialty of the site, apparently none of these 'collector's' have found their way to NMB. Can't blame them, with all the expertise available they can shop assured. Why waste you time and money studying and buying books when you could be adding to your collection....AH BLISS!

 

-S-

[Stephen]

Books? what will they think of next!

[Ford Hallam]

  On 9/25/2018 at 7:20 PM, vajo said:

Ford i would love to have one of these three Tsuba (I think they are from MfA).

 

 

Chris,         The first one, Mudo-myo, was one I restored a while ago. It was discussed here before and after.                                          

[vajo]

Oh wow. Sorry i didn't know this. Very good. But what you think Ford about the thread starter Tsuba?

[Brian]

Man! Some of the tsuba in this thread make me want to scratch my eyes out.
If it wasn't for those ones Chris posted that save my sanity .....

[Blazeaglory]

Crazy! You would think that someone willing to spend that much on an item would at least research first.

[TETSUGENDO]

Foolishly, the bidders felt confident with two "EXPERTS" attesting to the articles authenticity, this should make many take pause.

Prepare yourself or prepare to be fleeced!!!

 

-S-