Stephen Posted May 30, 2008 Report Posted May 30, 2008 thought we might try a kantei that all the new guys could get in on, so ill post some pix then they can list what they see, no mune pix so its lori so well be on the same track you can cut and paste the below list and add your answer. Boshi Mune Lori mune Tsurikomi (blade shape) Hamon Hada Yasurime once we are in line with this then we can go forward to which smith or den being mumei, hope all take a crack at this in the end. Quote
Stephen Posted May 30, 2008 Author Report Posted May 30, 2008 well guess everyone is past the beginner stage, huh? Reveal hidden contents Boshi ko maru Mune Iori mune Tsurikomi (blade shape) Hamon suguha in nie deki Hada chu to ko mokume Yasurime sujika so now you big boys that partake in kantei can jump in...or not? Quote
Brian Posted May 30, 2008 Report Posted May 30, 2008 Give it a chance for the weekend crowd to take a look. That's when most of us have a bit of time, and can hit the books a bit Brian Quote
Stephen Posted May 30, 2008 Author Report Posted May 30, 2008 yea your right i fig out of 67 views one or two would have had a go at it. Quote
Jacques Posted May 30, 2008 Report Posted May 30, 2008 Hi, That I see (perhaps not that it is) Reveal hidden contents Boshi -> seems yakitsume Tsukurikomi -> Hira-zukuri Mune -> Hira-mune Hamon -> Suguha, the nioi-guchi seems tight. Hada -> Ko-itame hadadachi gokoro Yasuri -> sujikai Quote
pcfarrar Posted May 30, 2008 Report Posted May 30, 2008 Reveal hidden contents My guess would be Shin-shinto and Naotane school. Quote
remzy Posted May 30, 2008 Report Posted May 30, 2008 Sorry Stephen, i feel helpless without my books, the only term i can remember is suguha for the hamon and itame for the jihada, im ashamed! Quote
Stephen Posted May 30, 2008 Author Report Posted May 30, 2008 Remy never ever be ashamed over something like that, plenty of time, i was leaning in the same den as Peter, with other input by PM im giving it a closer look. Quote
Brian Posted May 30, 2008 Report Posted May 30, 2008 Just a quick one before dinner. I won't hide it, as it is just my observations and shouldn't influence anyone Whole blade looks quite fresh and healthy. From the machi and sugata, it doesn't look like it has seen too many polishes, and looks to me to be late shinto to early shinshinto. The horimono and nakago patina also leads me to this period..I would be looking at early shinshinto I think. The jigane also looks a little hard, but quite nicely done. Yasurime not higaki as I would expect on later shinshinto, although this isn't a rule, just a hint for me. I can't quite decide between late shinto or early shinshinto. Will have to take more time before I can take a stab at a smith, but not easy on these (maybe) post koto. Brian Quote
DSweet Posted May 30, 2008 Report Posted May 30, 2008 This part is more my speed. Reveal hidden contents Boshi - looks ko-maru but the glare/relfection makes it a possible omaru Mune - iori mune Tsurikomi (blade shape) - hira-zukuri Hamon - suguha in nei-deki Hada - ko and o-mokume mix. Yasurime - sujikai Looks to be rather healthy. I would guesstimate early shinshinto or late shinto. Quote
Stephen Posted May 31, 2008 Author Report Posted May 31, 2008 Was hoping the heavy hitters would chime in Darcy, Guido, Rinehard, & Ted T. How about it guys? its not my sword so you can let the owner know what you think he has, im pretty sure it will go to shinsa as he mulling it over now. So who will be first and if you'd like diff pix let me know. Quote
drbvac Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 Well let the newbies have a go! Reveal hidden contents Kanemitsu, bizen school, shinto NOT? Stephen : As a suggestion, why not give - 2 or 3 days to answer first part and 2 or 3 for the next part. Quote
Stephen Posted June 3, 2008 Author Report Posted June 3, 2008 Some added photos for you all to look at. a local photogapher and I spent a hour on these. hope you like them. and for high Res shot, worth the down loadtime. http://www.members.aol.com/h2obro1/OtantoHiRes Quote
Rickisan Posted June 3, 2008 Report Posted June 3, 2008 I dont see a smiley that expresses how nice the high res picture is- Wow...those are beautiful pics. VERY nice blade I'm gessing this is going to be sent off for Shinsa. Rick Quote
Brian Posted June 3, 2008 Report Posted June 3, 2008 Nice pic. Just need to get rid of the edge..(what is the name for that streaking?) Shows everything very well. A nice well forged blade there, and a good hada. The hamon seems well controlled suguha, so can't be an average smith. I am wondering from the nakago if this couldn't be a late shinto instead of a shinshinto? I am lost as to the smith. Not too much turnback there in the boshi? Brian Quote
Stephen Posted June 3, 2008 Author Report Posted June 3, 2008 yea you only get that when its reduced to 1280 pix its not there in HiRes. hard to get the true color when using a strob flash...see above pix for the nice black patina. its going off for July Shinsa (NBTHK), im like Peter on this Naotane den. maybe wrong and older hope so. Quote
Stephen Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Posted June 4, 2008 Ok last post from me on this wanted another pix that removes the zigzag Brian was talking about...not the full image but reduced for you guys with dial up. now she can be put to rest until late this year when Shinsa is done. Quote
Rickisan Posted September 1, 2008 Report Posted September 1, 2008 Stephen - I just recieved the results back from Bob Benson. The item came back designated as a wakizashi, Hozon to Chikuzen Nobukuni. If anyone has info they would care to give on Chikuzen Nobukuni, I would be forever thankful. Rick Quote
Brian Posted September 1, 2008 Report Posted September 1, 2008 Rick, Here is the Connoisseur's page: http://books.google.co.za/books?id=zPys ... #PPA257,M1 In this case, it is papered to the school I think, and not specifically Nobukuni the smith (or would they have added den if they meant the school?) Well done, not a bad result, and it still looks like a nice sword indeed. Hard to kantei this school I think, so I'm not surprised we didn't get too many guesses Brian Quote
Rickisan Posted September 1, 2008 Report Posted September 1, 2008 Brian - Thanks, hoping the paperwork sheds more light when it arrives. Please forgive my rookie excitement,(first item ever sent for shinsa) Rick Quote
Ted Tenold Posted September 2, 2008 Report Posted September 2, 2008 Rick, Congratulations on your sword! Let us know what the papers define when you receive them. Here's an image you might find helpful of a sword from the Chikuzen Nobukuni school by Nobukuni Mitsumasa from 1771 (chujosaku). Mitsumasa carved his own horimono, and you'll see some similarities between them. The jigane is also quite similar to yours with ohada and nagare. In this sword the hada starts like this down at the machis and then compresses to a finer pattern in the monouchi. The nioi guchi differs from yours in that it is not as tightly concentrated, but has a really deep nioi penetration into the ha with some tiny workings, so although similar work, it does shows little different approach. You will note the yasurime are consistent, but the nakagojiri is different also. Mitsumasa was also a tsuba maker and signed his works with the same name. Interestingly enough, he's noted as being part of the Namban group though. Perhaps Dr. Lissenden can shed some more light on this subject. I hope this helps you! Special thanks to Darcy Brockbank for the excellent photography. Quote
Rickisan Posted September 2, 2008 Report Posted September 2, 2008 Thanks Ted! I sure will, cant wait to see what else the paperwork has to say. Stephen also sent a link to a similar looking item by Chikuzen Nobukuni Yoshinao. http://www.genuine-antique-swords.com/s ... shirae.htm Also a similar horimono Quote
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