Tying Bad

[Stephen]

A very kind member gifted me these when he could not find the color we had selected from numerous charts. I have googled to no end in finding a way to tie as shown.

Been through all the vids on saego knots..having all thumbs is not helping.

Really dont want to end up with out a knot due to color and highlight.

Any help much appreciated.

[TETSUGENDO]

Stephen,

 

If the charts and diagrams are not working.for you try Youtube, there are several videos there. If you tried all of these perhaps you can fly someone in fron Japan.  LOL.

 

Best of luck,

        -S-

[Stephen]

Hummm maybe a 44yer old or better yet two 22year olds....naw not up for that.

Watching vids ? Been there

[Guido]

When I get back home from work I'll post a photo tutorial (it's actually quite easy to do [but then again, anything is easy if one knows how to do it ]).

[PNSSHOGUN]

I gave up long ago on tying formal Sageo knots and convinced myself this style was the most elegant & beautiful...

 

 

[Stephen]

Thank you Guido

 

John my style to but these are way long, and with the brown specks i just dont get same feel as with my other set.

 

bit messy but did a quick shot for member to show how i desplay

 

[Lee Bray]

Looks like it's just half of the 'standard' sageo knot.

When you have the sageo equally pulled through the kurikata, instead of tying either side of the kurikata with an individual end of the sageo, you need to double up the sageo and tie the knot as normal in the direction of the kojiri.

 

I've attached a pic which will hopefully get the point across.

In case you were wondering, that's not a real saya and sageo, I just have some crazy 'paint' skills.

 

[Stephen]

Thanks Lee ill play with it again in the morning....good skills!!

[Guido]

O.k., here we go. This knot can be done on either the ha or mune side, and is a great option if there's a kozuka and/or kōgai that you don't want to be (partially) covered by the sageo. Or if the sageo would otherwise interfer with the katanakake.

knot.pdf

[TETSUGENDO]

Stephen,

 

The swords look beautiful, I think your overthinking it, just experiment at your leisure and eventually you will come upon something your happy with. Just remembered, someone I knew practiced tying on a section of wooden curtain rod , less intimidating and you can work at any angle thats comfortable.....worked for him.

 

-S-  

[Brian]

Awesome Guido!
Did you do that yourself? Thanks very much, helped me too as I had been working on the same task as Stephen.

[Guido]

Thanks for the flowers, Brian!  Yes, sageo are kind of a pet peeve of mine; I always look at how they are tied, and try to recreate them, to give my swords a liitle more variety.

[Stephen]

Thanks Gman ill show after coffee and my eye's are awake.

Steven
Wrong page...the swords in question are.

 

 

 

*good tip on what to practice with and thank you on the comments on the old set.

[TETSUGENDO]

Thanks. Last pics posted are great as well, an embarrassment of riches, not a bad problem to have.  Now I see your urgency, good example of sageo problems.  I have no doubt we will be seeing your newly acquired virtuoso tying skills soon!

 

-S-

[Stephen]

Not great skills yet really very simple after a go or two. Yet to master is making them tight.

 

 

Not a good knot for tachikake, lucky i have two one taller than other.

On the lookout for just right katanakake

[Surfson]

I like Guido's photos of the process - thanks for that Guido.  They look like you could pull on the end and the whole thing would unravel instantly.  That makes sense if a samurai has to grab his swords and tie them on quickly.  Cheers, Bob

[Stephen]

Yes Bob quick pull and your ready to tie on.

[TETSUGENDO]

Great job, I would be quite happy with it!

 

Cheers,

    -S

-p.s- Guido's diagram does take the confusion out of the equasion.

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[Lee Bray]

 They look like you could pull on the end and the whole thing would unravel instantly. 

 

It's called 'daisy chaining' in rigging terms.

But I guess you need to be a rigger to see that and not have to rely on fancy pant PDF's to tie a knot.

 

 

(apologies to non riggers and Guido)

[Stephen]

Whatever

[Lee Bray]

Apologies for trying to help and be humorous, Stephen.

[Stephen]

Guess i took the wrong way i did thank you for your help.

[Baka Gaijin]

Hi Stephen,

 

All this talk about knots got me thinking (and that's a real bad thing......... )

 

Anyway,  I got to wondering how far back does the tying of Sageo in formal knots go?

 

And why?

 

I'm off to the archives now and hopefully shall return with something interesting....

 

Pip Pip

[vajo]

I use for my knots these two videos.

 

 

 

both are nice and very helpfull.

[Stephen]

Thanks Chris

 

Standard knots, i was looking for something other than norm.

[TETSUGENDO]

Did a quick Google search using the words- different sageo knots- and came up with more than enough stuff to keep you busy. Knot styles range from simple to extremely elaborate, just the stuff for the new knot confident you.

 

Have fun,

     -S-

[Greg F]

Looks good Stephen. A helpfull thread, thanks.

 

Guido those pics make the process much easier thank you.

 

How they came up with this stuff boggles the mind.

 

Greg