Horo Basket - Name Origination?

[ken kata]

Hello guys..

 

I made it into a  shot video,  (for our convience)

to have a cool explaination of how the HORO Basket  got it's name.

I'm not sure if it is true,, but, I thought  it was cool and neat watching it.

I hope you guys do, too.. 

 

https://samuraihoro.weebly.com/

 

I got this subscription for a website package, that lets me make several of these "convinient"  sites.

Easy to up load and navigate, for fun stuff. 

this way, I can uplaod short videos without a host.

 

Alton

 

 

[IanB]

Alton,  It was only during the Edo period that horo were used over a frame of bamboo.Originally it was simply a cloth with the top edge attached to the rear of the shoulder-straps of the armour and the bottom edge to the waist. When galloping it filled with air and ballooned out. The Tokugawa used horo of different colours to identify units or special officers in their forces.

Ian Bottomley

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Good Morning Forum,

Interesting facts Ian , Sir..

Thank you. 

 

Ian, 

I'm not sure if this is true.

and I know many here might have seen/read this too..

but..   I've read somewhere,

that the horo was also a defense mechanism that "deflected' the arrows path, by letting the "flapping" cloth

mis aligning the incoming path of the arrow.

Especially if they were Messengers.

 

Many interesting "Pieces" of  information on such an unusal concept.

Mankind can think up many good , ideal things, 

 

Alton 

 

From the internet:

 

 

 

A samurai wearing the horo, or stiffened cloak that helped messengers and bodyguards increase their visibility.

 

• The horo (母衣) were large pieces of cloth, not entirely unlike a cape or cloak, which would be worn on the back, supported and shaped by a series of bamboo or wooden sticks. In addition to displaying an identifying mon or symbol, and making the samurai appear larger-than-life, it served the purpose of arrow entangler. Ultimately, it marked that warrior as someone important, usually a messenger or scout, and worthy of honorable treatment, even by his enemies.

[IanB]

Alton, Yes, horo were protection from arrows, billowing out when riding and deflating when struck and absorbing the arrow's energy. They were really a Kamakura / early Muromachi thing. There is one curious image in the book Gun yoki that shows a mounted samurai with the horo over his and his horse's head (?) - don't know what that is about. The illustration you show is labelled Morimoto Gidayu Hidetori and forms one of a series of 50 prints  called Taiheiki eiyu den.  by Utagawa Kuniyoshi (1797 - 1861) and hence dating from the period when there was a kind of 'gothic revival' going on and copies of ancient armours and so on were being produced. Not understanding what the horo was really about, they came to the conclusion it must have a frame inside to keep it ballooning  out.

Ian Bottomley

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Ian..

Thanks for adding to this post.

 

The Horo story was hard to "piece together" , as, the information is learned, only as much as we can get from the various sources on the 'net..

I had hoped to "gather" all, and, put them on this post, for the forum to have a good concensus of what it is.

 

Old saying.. 

The who, what, when , where and why..

 

If I may.. 

Quote you ..

"These late versions incorporated a framework of Bamboo......"  

 

I forgot, I got your book..     page 59 and 60.

Don't worry, i will not say more,

They got to buy your book... 

 

Guys,

I remember, seening a tv show, and the guys was testing a horo, by shooting arrows at it.

I don't think it was MythBusters.

Maybe Terry Schappert ?

[Shogun8]

I remember, seening a tv show, and the guys was testing a horo, by shooting arrows at it.

I don't think it was MythBusters.

Maybe Terry Schappert ?

 

I remember seeing this too, Ken and it was proven to be quite effective.

[ken kata]

Thanks John..

Hey Guys... 

 

"  FOUND IT "    - (  New American saying )

 

 

[Gakusee]

good British documentary .... pity they wrecked the nice Horo but it had to be tested.....

[IanB]

An interesting video that covers the basic facts. It is a pity that Mike Loades didn't talk to someone who knew about Japanese warfare of the late Heian period. As we know, theoretically individuals would challenge an opponent and take part in mounted archery duels where the riders rode passed each other in a counter-clockwise elongated loop shooting at each other as they passed. In practice a rider can start shooting when his opponent is to the left of his horse's head and continue until he is to the left- rear of his horse. It is this latter stage that the horo protected the rider as he gained distance from his opponent, fitted another arrow to his bow and wheel about. In reality others would be shooting at them as well and basically it 'covered his back' while he concentrated on what his opponent was doing. It went out of fashion following the Mongol invasions when this stylised mode of combat proved useless against an enemy who didn't play by the rules. It was revived in the late 18th century when there was an antiquarian revival during which no fighting took place and the samurai simply posed about wearing old styles of armour. Obviously unless they were actually galloping about, the horo just hung flat against the back - hence the basket to give the appearance of the warriors they were copying from old paintings.

Ian Bottomley

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Thank You all. 

Thank you Ian.

Nice to have you take the time out for your postings and to bring this post to it's conclusion.

I got lots of Samurai DVD's and many have those big Battle scenes, with lots of Horo equipt Riders.

In "Sekigahara 2017", the horo riders added "color' to the Battle scenes.

That movie had something for everybody.

 

BTW, the horo is still used today by some of the Super Heros.

They now call it a Cape.