If you please

[James]

Seki(?) Jyu X Shige

 

Can someone identify the third kanji?

 

[Bugyotsuji]

Just something to throw into the pot...

 

 

照重 Terushige?

 

[Guest Lee]

Hi James,

 

"If you please" on the subject line will get you in trouble.

Take my Kiyomaro post. After that, I have posted five times and very few helped me. No friendly relations on this site. Little clique going on. Too bad, because people like me and you make this website. Half the people I talk to have left this site in a month or two . Treat everyone the same I say. These ranks next to the names instantly flags a person NEW . That is the first seed in a so called clique . I had High hopes for this site, other people with the same common interest. This website should be happy new people come here. Richard needs to get a good hold on all this before it get much worse.

Even some of the regulars here tell me that there is an Air about it. I guess I am the only one who has the guts to say.

If you noticed no one has help you ! But one person.

They need a feedback post. Then work to fix it. Got to let people be people, not how you want them to be !!!

Funny! I deleted all pictures from my post by accident, No one will even notice.

Guess I will get that email !

 

 

LEE

[James]

Lee

 

As you said, I also may be relatively new but still I have been here since June 07 - 10 months longer than you - and honestly I have found this board to be thoroughly educational and a great help to me in my study of Nihonto in many regards.

 

Just remember that us beginners are not paying for a translation service here, neither are we paying for someone to go and research whether a blade is gimei or not, or paying for an expert's opinion. These members are giving us a free service when they do this for us. So if I ask for a translation for a mei and don't get one, I don't feel offended because the members don't owe me anything - on the contrary, we owe the members for all the other times they've helped us! Just remember that.

[Guest Lee]

James ,

 

I give here too what I can, as to expert advice no. All my stuff is take to shinsa. If anyone is a shinsa then please show me your shinsa membership with the NBTHK. No one owes no one here. I have looked most of the info up myself. No one will give a straight answer to a question. Try to talk and act like the Japanese. The study of Nihonto, you could study the wrong answer over and over and not know the answer. Nihonto study takes a lifetime, study your sword not many. I guess you are looking good for this come back. You can not tell me that there is not a Clique here !!! I am greatfull for the help I got here . The answer is TAKE TO SHINSA. Five or Six posts and very few answers and you would not be offended ? Ask a question no answer . Others on your same post getting answers. Not you ! When it is you next. Then please understand my thought. I saw a guy post a sword forsale , they were bad to the guy, No one will want to by just a nakago. Because he had not posted the rest of the sword. Come on !!!

If your not Japanese you will NEVER know the true study of Nihonto and the spirit of the sword.

 

Lee

[Guest Lee]

James ,

 

Post the PM message you sent to me , saying you ment nothing by it. Make me look bad then send PM.

 

 

 

 

Lee

[Grey Doffin]

James,

According to my 2 Kanji dictionaries that isn't a proper Kanji; must be sloppy handwriting. Teru, as has been suggested already, is as close as I can find.

Wonder if I'm part of the evil clique.

Grey

[James]

James ,

 

Post the PM message you sent to me , saying you ment nothing by it. Make me look bad then send PM.

 

Lee

 

It wasn't my intention to make you look bad Lee. I just wanted to share my own personal experience with this board and say my opinion.

 

Please accept my apology for any offence I have cause you.

 

As for the PM I sent to you, here it is for all to see. I really don't see what the big problem is.

 

Hi Lee

 

I hope you understand what I'm saying in my reply. Honestly, most the members here are so generous with their time and energy to helping even us beginners.

 

I really hope you won't let your bad experience cause you to leave because as you said, it's people like us who make up this board. But we have to remember that any help we get from people is like a free gift from them. So don't take it personally if someone is a bit rude or if someone doesn't help you in the way you want them to.

 

Regards,

 

James

[James]

James,

According to my 2 Kanji dictionaries that isn't a proper Kanji; must be sloppy handwriting. Teru, as has been suggested already, is as close as I can find.

Wonder if I'm part of the evil clique.

Grey

 

Thanks for that Grey.

[Guest Lee]

Thank you,

 

I spend time that no one sees me tring to answer posts , my time is worth equal to anyones time. Just can not find answers with these few books. So I look on the websites, I Need more books, Everyone helps everyone , so I do not look at it like I owe people. In fact my posts give them a reason to study. So maybe you can say they owe me. It works both ways. Like the Kiyomaro sword I posted, , was that great or what. Not a Dam sole told me great example Lee. I be dam if I praise them. We should look at it as some people have MORE Books thats all. So James , you are equal to anyone on this site. Most of my info come from the little guys on here. The big guns never give a straight answers, in fear they might look bad. We can't have that. So they speak around the answer, never giving one. And the answer is TAKE IT TO SHINSA !

 

Little do people know is that I was blocked by you know who , could not log in . I was told it was me and my PC . I had a AT&T pro come to the house , a friend . He said I was blocked . So exuse me if I am upset after that and no answers to my post. Child like games on a sword website. So I apologize to people I have made mad. I must of said the wrong little thing on my Kiyomaro post and got detention. So if you can not see the Air about this site. Then you do not need to hold Long metal sharp blades.

 

Grey , if you got to ask ! Well !

Here is a clue if your in the clique ! If you respond to this post , your in the clique !

Lee

[Bugyotsuji]

The third kanji has a couple of strange aspects to it. My Japanese dictionaries cannot shed any light, so I have stuck my neck out and guessed as above, without any reference to known katana kaji. Anyone could have done the same, but risking the immediate possibility that someone could prove them wrong. In an ideal world I would double-check with my Chinese dictionaries, but that would mean driving to my workplace to get them so I cannot yet say.

 

The character may be 'wrongly' written by mistake, or on purpose. Since 'Teru' means to shine or illuminate or clarify, then the Mei cutter may have made a conscious choice in his case for, not the sun, but the moon to shine?

 

My feeling is that most people here are reluctant to comment as they have never seen Teru written this way before.

 

In general, silence often means that people don't know, or they are reluctant to say anything, especially in Japan. A recent question of mine got over 100 hits but not one single person answered. That gave me some good feedback and told me something valuable!

 

PS Without any background on this question makes answering much more difficult. Just for reference, one of my books lists 4 Koto smiths and 5 Shinto smiths with the name Terushige, but with the normal character 照

 

The Nakago illustrated above might not be from those times. That I leave up to others to judge as it is not my field.

[Bungo]

" The big guns never give a straight answers, in fear they might look bad. We can't have that. So they speak around the answer, never giving one. And the answer is TAKE IT TO SHINSA ! "

 

Lee, you can't have it both way..............

 

Look at what happened to " Felix "......... straight talkin', no holds barred and people called him " rude " ( well, he is sort of........ until he backs up with illustrations and facts ).

Big gun or tiny wee pee shooter, it doesn't matter. No one can give you a straight answer as few has the arrogance ( I hope ) of acting like the shinsa judge when they are clearly not.

The only time we guns of whatever size can expect to give a straight answer is those fake Nihonto coming out of Canada, Australia, China , Indonesia ( just about all nations of this world ) and usually we give some facts to back up the answer , eg. kissaki shape, tip of nakago, the ji-hada etc. Even now as we speak, it's getting harder as they ( the fakers ) are getting better .

 

By the way, I do not belong to any " clique " , that's why the moderators labelled me " ronin ".

 

milt

[Brian]

Lee,

 

I come back after working the whole weekend to this?

You are out of line. The assumption that you were blocked from anything is bull. I am the only one that can block anyone, and quite frankly you were not even on my radar to notice..never mind "block".

You told me your pass wasn't working and what it was. I accessed your account, changed the pass to exactly the same thing you said it was, and you told me you could then log in? I think you either were typing it wrong, had caps lock on, your isp had dns errors, or some other randon internet bug that we see so often. I changed nothing. So please don't give me bull about you being blocked. I have only ever removed 2 people, one by request. No-one is blocked except known fraudsters. Perhaps you don't have a static ip, and your isp allocated one that was too close to a blocked one. (Unlikely)

As for "cliques" or whatever...I see plenty of beginners receiving help from great individuals. We don't always check every thread every day. Sometimes someone else has made our point, so we don't reply. Sometimes the question cannot be answered by anything else than "seek shinsa" as none of us is qualified to appraise swords online. Sometimes, believe it or not, no-one has the anwer. It happens. Myself and the mods are doing a tireless job trying to make this a beter place for everyone. I am sorry if the "terribly high price" you pay for this (free) forum makes you feel despondent.

Frankly, I see things improving all the time. Lots more responses, and even the "rude" posts are starting to get backed up with solid facts. Those we are working on. Do you think we sit here daily letting the forum run itself?

I still know very little about Nihonto myself..so if there is a "clique" I am not in it.

Some days I think the real "clique" is actually a group trying to stir up trouble by emphasising a situation that is tiny in comparisson to how many posts and members we have.

Why didn't you post your requests on one of the other few dozen forums dedicated to helping newcommers with free advice? I am sure they must be out there if no-one is getting help here.

The list of helpful members is too long to even begin typing here. If you choose to ignore all of those members and try and stir up some more non-constructive criticism, then I do suggest you take your requests elsewhere.

Looking at the post that seems to have started your ranting and raving: viewtopic.php?t=2932

You had six pages of opinion, including very good ones from people such as Darcy and others. When some of the top guys suggest it is close enough to submit for shinsa, that is a damn good result for an online opinion. But reading your replies when you didn't get the answer you were obviously expecting, and wouldn't accept anything less...well what can I say?

I urge anyone to read that entire thread again. Having just done it myself, I am surprised I didn't "block" you then. I think I will correct that immediately. Welcome to the 3rd removal of the NMB. If you want to make the forum a better place, don't be part of the problem.

 

Brian

[Brian]

Now back to our regular programming, I have reinstated the post in the hope that someone can assist James. Thanks James for keeping calm and level headed, and to those who are trying to help.

 

Regards,

Brian

[drbvac]

When I can get any information at all from anyone like Doc liss, Brian, Stephen or Dr. Turner I am really pleased. Kind of like sending a post card to Hallie Barry and getting a reply - so I for one take nothing for granted and having been at this hobby/insanity in isolation for 15 years there is only so much one can self learn from all the books printed. The amount of information/ facts out there is unbelievable - lifetime of work and still little hands on experience so I read every post every comment so I guess I am one of those that hits subjects and rarely comments.

 

Best forum I have found fo this and the participants and moderators do a great job.

 

If I dont get the answers it is funny how months or weeks later you get a PM like I did from a member who has been looking at a nakago trying to figure the signature for 2 months!

 

I also know working for the public and with the public for 35 years that of any group of people , regardless of where you get them, 20 % are nuts, be they all surgeons or secretaries so consider us lucky that here its only 5

[Guest reinhard]

Hi James,

 

The "Teru"-option seems to be too far from this Kanji. I played with the idea of a script variant, but I couldn't find any proof for that. There are two options left: It is the mei of a long forgotten, never registered Seki-smith, signing his swords with a kanji unprecedented; or it is a gimei executed by somebody, who wasn't (isn't) familiar enough with Japanese language.

 

reinhard

[James]

Hi James,

 

The "Teru"-option seems to be too far from this Kanji. I played with the idea of a script variant, but I couldn't find any proof for that. There are two options left: It is the mei of a long forgotten, never registered Seki-smith, signing his swords with a kanji unprecedented; or it is a gimei executed by somebody, who wasn't (isn't) not familiar enough with Japanese language.

 

reinhard

 

Yes I agree, and unless anyone comes across that exact kanji, I'm happy to leave it at that.