Please Help Identifying This Blade

[sebastian33]

https://imgur.com/a/kfcpIoU

 

MINAMOTO TADAYUKI? what is the nbthk says? is it worth the price seller asks, which is 7k euro?

 

Many thanks!

 

[Ken-Hawaii]

Sebastian, I can't read the Kanji, although it looks close to the mei on a blade papered to the same smith on Aoi (https://www.aoijapan.net/katana-settsu-kami-minamoto-tadayuki-2nd-generation%E3%80%80/). But your proposed blade looks to be a wakizashi, & Aoi's is a katana. Yours is papered kicho, while Aoi's is hozon. And Aoi's asking price is 4,966 Euro, instead of 7,000. Does that tell you enough to make an educated opinion on whether you should buy the seller's blade? I hope so!

[sebastian33]

Sebastian, I can't read the Kanji, although it looks close to the mei on a blade papered to the same smith on Aoi (https://www.aoijapan.net/katana-settsu-kami-minamoto-tadayuki-2nd-generation%E3%80%80/). But your proposed blade looks to be a wakizashi, & Aoi's is a katana. Yours is papered kicho, while Aoi's is hozon. And Aoi's asking price is 4,966 Euro, instead of 7,000. Does that tell you enough to make an educated opinion on whether you should buy the seller's blade? I hope so!

Thanks for the info. I'm a begginer in collecting so to understand well: from this : http://new.uniquejapan.com/nbthk-nihon-bijutsu-token-hozon-kyokai-certification-paper-ranking/seems that kicho tokubetsu certificates are from before 1982 system change but still very higly esteemed?

[Geraint]

Dear Sebastian.

 

The almost universal advice will be that you should regard the earlier papers as no papers at all.  Most people will advise you that re submitting for papers is the way to go but this is at a cost and is not very easy to do from outside Japan so a seller will often go with these older papers.

 

From your point of view as the buyer you would be advised to consider this an unpapered sword unless you are sufficiently confident in your own ability to judge the blade as genuine.

 

This should be reflected in the price you pay and given Ken's useful anaysis then I think your course of action is clear.

 

All the best.

[Guest Rayhan]

https://yuhindo.com/ha/green-papers-no-papers/#more-289

 

Darcy on green papers

[sebastian33]

https://yuhindo.com/ha/green-papers-no-papers/#more-289

 

Darcy on green papers

Thanks a lot for helping a begginer, that was a mind opener. One more question: for getting new papers, an aproximate price and timeline? Or a link to start up the research?

[sebastian33]

Thanks a lot for helping a begginer, that was a mind opener. One more question: for getting new papers, an aproximate price and timeline? Or a link to start up the research?

I kinda figured it out myself!  http://nbthk-ab.org/Shinsa_Fee_Schedule.html

[Guest Rayhan]

It usually takes 2 to 3 months between Hozon and Tokubetsu Hozon results to reach you after submission date. You can go through a source such as Paul Martin in Tokyo to help you submit the swords or fittings. His rates are on his site www.thejapanesesword.com

[Guest Rayhan]

http://thejapanesesword.com/services/shinsa.html

[Guest Rayhan]

With regards to the sword you have in question I would suggest buying an already NBTHK papered sword with a good polish and for the price you're considering I recommend: Aoi Art aoijapan.com, Raymond Singer of Swords of Japan, you can find earlier swords in your price range at Nihonto.com by Fred Weissburg, Danny Massey at Nihontocraft.com, yakiba.com with Ed Marshal, Grey Doffin at japaneseswordbooksandtsuba.com , Nick at Nihontoart.com

 

Finally please buy modern NBTHK papers which look like the following

 

http://new.uniquejapan.com/nbthk-nihon-bijutsu-token-hozon-kyokai-certification-paper-ranking/

 

Your beginner budget is good so spend it wisely and on a determined path of collection. Truly understand what kind of collection you want to achieve before you begin.

 

https://yuhindo.com/ha/a-good-collection-tells-a-story/

[sebastian33]

With regards to the sword you have in question I would suggest buying an already NBTHK papered sword with a good polish and for the price you're considering I recommend: Aoi Art aoijapan.com, Raymond Singer of Swords of Japan, you can find earlier swords in your price range at Nihonto.com by Fred Weissburg, Danny Massey at Nihontocraft.com, yakiba.com with Ed Marshal, Grey Doffin at japaneseswordbooksandtsuba.com , Nick at Nihontoart.com

 

Finally please buy modern NBTHK papers which look like the following

 

http://new.uniquejapan.com/nbthk-nihon-bijutsu-token-hozon-kyokai-certification-paper-ranking/

 

Your beginner budget is good so spend it wisely and on a determined path of collection. Truly understand what kind of collection you want to achieve before you begin.

 

https://yuhindo.com/ha/a-good-collection-tells-a-story/

Many thanks for taking the time to provide valuable info for a noob!!!