James Posted May 7, 2008 Report Posted May 7, 2008 I've just received the yari I was questioning about the nakago signed Fuji: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3073 Now that I have it in hand, it seems to raise more questions than answer them. The Bad: Minor scuffs and pitting A hamon and hada that looks like it has been acid washed The nakago looks as if a previous owner just began to clean the nakago with a scotchbrite pad then thought better of it The Good: The shape is preserved I can see nie The Fuji kanji is well done I think this is an authentic Japanese Omi yari, but someone at some time decided to give it an acid etch. I don't know how else to explain that hada/hamon. Please look at the photos and give me some opinions.
James Posted May 7, 2008 Author Report Posted May 7, 2008 Hi, IMHO it looks fake. Hamon and hada aside, what tells you that it is fake? It'd be hepful if you elaborated on your statement. Thanks
Stephen Posted May 7, 2008 Report Posted May 7, 2008 F.A.K.E. FREQUENTLY ANNOYING KANTEI for EVERYONE
Jean Posted May 7, 2008 Report Posted May 7, 2008 Sorry James, it is very difficult like is saying Stephen to say anything from the pictures. My two cents, I am not sure at all it is fake (though it could be a F.A.K.E. like was saying Stephen ). I have not seen a lot of fake yari and the lines seem to be enough crisp (particularly the base) Most of Omi Yari had a masame had and we find it in your pictures. Just a an advice, bring it to someone who knows something about Nihonto (club ....) and show it. Nothing can equal a judgement "in hand"
pcfarrar Posted May 7, 2008 Report Posted May 7, 2008 The nakago looks very short, is it suriage? Most Yari especially if they are made for combat have a long nakago. A short nakago would be a major weakness if it was to be used on the battlefield. A tactic when faced by a yari is to grab the blade and twist breaking the pole, with a short nakago this is much easier to accomplish.
Jacques Posted May 7, 2008 Report Posted May 7, 2008 Hi, Hamon and hada aside, what tells you that it is fake? It'd be hepful if you elaborated on your statement. Thanks I don't like rust on the kerakubi, this one must be polished. Also the patina of the nakago is too homogeneous; if this blade was mounted on a pole, the nakago should be more altered (pole are mostly made with oak and this wood contains much tannin). It is only an opinion, i could be wrong
Jean Posted May 7, 2008 Report Posted May 7, 2008 The nakago looks very short, is it suriage? Yes Peter, If it is an Omi Yari, it is probably suriage as, roughly (more or less), the nakago length is equal to the blade length http://www.aoi-art.com/sword/yari/main.html
e-Raser Posted May 7, 2008 Report Posted May 7, 2008 Hello Everyone. I have seen a yari blade with a similar short nakago, mounted as a walking stick. Mounted c.1880. Just a thought. Malcolm
Stephen Posted May 7, 2008 Report Posted May 7, 2008 just in case someone took it wrong...i was not saying it is fake, just to call something on a few pix, and alot of factors here, we all have seen old blades with less patina than others....to say fake gives us no true kantei, except a annoying one.
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted May 7, 2008 Report Posted May 7, 2008 Even if the hada effectively looks similar to the one of modern replicas the arrows point to what IMHO *look like* small forging defects, that shouldn't be there on a modern fake made out of factory-folded (then omogeneous and smooth) steel. Not sure modern non-Japanese smiths are comfortable in making Omiyari from steel folded by themselves. Hence the acid-polish and cleaned nakago answer seems to me more plausible from the given pictures, and with reserve. You that can handle the blade can surely also look at Kizu in a better way, maybe searching for others in other parts of the blade. Still, the single kanji is in a strange position. The supposedly cut-away part of the Nakago doesn't match with the missing of the needed rest of the inscription.
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 Where the acid wasn't applied ? Or do you think it's re-tempered implying it's genuine ?
James Posted May 10, 2008 Author Report Posted May 10, 2008 Just informing that due to a rather sudden need for funds, I'm putting this up onto eBay. I've scheduled the listing to start this Saturday at 12:30pm PDT
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