e-sword: (for iai???)

[Isidro Pastor]

Hi,

 

Congratulations all for this page.

 

After a pair of "Toledo Bad-Replicas" and a nice Solingen-Replica i want to buy my first authentic Japanese sword and after read a lot I have a question for the swords for sale in e-sword

 

Some sword like this one , show the words "for iai".

 

My questions are:

What does this words means?

Are those swords not sharp?

Are those swords better or worse than the others?

Thank you very much

 

Isidro

[Stephen]

for iaido, swordmanship, for practice.

 

at 4800.00 a bit steap imho, check Larrys list or hageyama's consignment page that i posted swords for sale.

 

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3034

 

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3025

 

be sure to tell them Stephen sent you.

 

good luck

[John A Stuart]

Hi Isidro, Usually when you see 'for iaido' it means that the sword is an iaito, purposely left blunt to minimise the possibility of injury. John

[Isidro Pastor]

Thank´s

 

Sorry, I haven´t explained very well, i know that iaido is for practice, what i´ve never seen is a "iaito" with NBTHK papers like the item that i´ve spoken about. (link in my first post)

 

I allways thought that iaito was not sharp

 

Stephen i´m looking for one sword (katana long) with Hozon papers and no more than $5000-$6000.

 

I think there is nothing like that in your list for sale.

 

But thank you anyway.

 

 

Isidro

[Jacques]

hi,

 

I think it is a misunderstanding here,

 

Isidro,

When you see "For iaido" that means the blade has not enough artistic qualities ot too much flaws, but is is usable for practice (iaido or battodo or tameshigiri) These blade are real nihonto and can have paper.

 

In Japan the term iaito is used for both alloy blades and shinken.

[Walter]

Isidro,

 

If you mean this sword: http://www.e-sword.jp/sale/0810_1073syousai.htm

the document you can see it's not the NBTHK paper - it's the torokusho (registration paper) required by the Japanese Firearms and Sword Law:

http://www.nihontokanjipages.com/japane ... _laws.html

And guess what? The Iaito / Mogito (training and decorative swords made from a zinc-aluminum alloy that can't be sharpened) are exempted from this law.

 

I think that for Iaido you would need the sword in full mounts - the linked one (with torokusho) has just the shirasaya for safe storage.

BTW - It's very nice sword.

 

i´m looking for one sword (katana long) with Hozon papers and no more than $5000-$6000

Have no idea why you need the katana with NBTHK papers for practice the Iaido, but I may have something for you (a nice shin-shinto signed katana in full koshirae with NBTHK papers) in this price range.

PM or email me if you are interested.

[Brian]

Was just going to post what Jacques wrote. Many people do practice Iai with live blades, or own them for sport. Sometimes if a blade just doesn't make it artistically enough, then it can be a good candidate for Iai. This can be due to a few flaws, chips or maybe the overall polish, and it isn't economical to restore fully.

Iai swords don't mean non-traditional, but they need to be examined to see why they weren't sold as collector grade.

 

Brian

[sencho]

Sometimes if a blade just doesn't make it artistically enough, then it can be a good candidate for Iai. This can be due to a few flaws, chips or maybe the overall polish, and it isn't economical to restore fully.

Iai swords don't mean non-traditional, but they need to be examined to see why they weren't sold as collector grade.Brian

 

Does this mean the e-sword example has "not made it"? It clearly says "for iai"....

 

....haven't tried to read the rest of e-sword's description... in 3 meter seas here and reading Japanese makes me feel sick!

 

Cheers!

[alant]

Walter, thanks for the link to the page explaining torokusho (registration paper)!

[e-Raser]

Early Morning all.

 

If you are seriously going to train in Iai of whatever persuasion, then train, forget the jewellery.

 

If you imagine a blade is going to improve your waza, stop now, ask a passing person to give you a kick up the backside and get the bokuto out for the next few years and hit the thousand suburi per day, every day, 'til the blister gets blisters on the blisters.

 

Sorry to seem harsh, but ask anyone who is training for real in Kendo, Karate-Do, Aikido, Kyudo etc etc, and they will give you the same advice, it's a universal truth.

 

I began Iai training in 1968, and it still defeats me everytime I train, but I don't stop and blame the weapon, I've trained with a variety of blades from Mogi to to Nidai Kanemitsu, and the answer to the predicament lies inside, not at the edge of your skin.

 

 

Malcolm

 

 

Anyway, What do you call a short psychic who just escaped from Jail?

 

A Small Medium at Large......................................

[Isidro Pastor]

woh woh woh!!!

Hello thank´s all for your answer

 

E-Raser

Please read!!, I've never said that i need the sword for iaido. This is an misunderstanding. Thank´s for your answer but I already have more than one bokken/bokuto, suburito and a forged iaito since more than 10 years, but i want to start a collecion with real Nihontos, and i'm going to put it in a katanakake into a "showcase"

 

I'm speaking about swords like this http://www.e-sword.jp/sale/0810_1083syousai.htm

 

When you see "For iaido" that means the blade has not enough artistic qualities ot too much flaws, but is is usable for practice (iaido or battodo or tameshigiri) These blade are real nihonto and can have paper.

 

Thanks Jacques, i think that this is realy posible

 

Walter, I´m sending you an email, thanks.

 

Isidro