Unknown Item In Tis Set

[Stephen]

dont have a part name/use for small wave under menukis

 

 

or is that the hook on saya whos name i can never remember. 

 

http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/k291493865

[Nikanoru]

Kaerizuno... no, it's not.

It's sagurigane.

 

Apart from this, the set is a bomb!

Omori menuki are super rare.

I'm sure it will go far above 500k.

[ROKUJURO]

Stephen,

you mean KAESHI-ZUNO? No, it is not that one, but probably a decoration piece for the lower part of the WAKIZASHI SAYA. You see that sometimes on more ornate KOSHIRAE.

[Stephen]

edit 

 

something like this on saya

 

[Nikanoru]

Google gives only one example, right Jean? ))

 

 

[Grey Doffin]

I believe this is the piece that belongs at the mouth of a kotsuka/kogatana pocket; not sure what the name is.

Grey

[Nikanoru]

That one, Grey, is called kawaragane (uragawara) and it's to the right of sagurigane on the pic, below the menuki.

[Stephen]

Yes Alex i knew that one for kozuka slot. Good to see another than the one Jean and i came up with.

[ROKUJURO]

  On 2/8/2018 at 1:36 PM, Nikanoru said:

Google gives only one example, right Jean? ))

Yes, Stephen, 

 

that was the only one. I had two or three in hand long ago, but no photos left - that was before the digital era struck me....

[Nikanoru]

Items are in too good condition to be Teruhide (Eishu), all dots are there, kao is too sloppy. Most probably gimei, like the majority of "Teruhide" works out there.

Menuki are very nice but form somehow resembles Natsuo's waves menuki.

Some much later work is in front of us, I presume, but still a very nice set to own.

 

[Stephen]

I always expect gimei with Teruhide, Kotetsu ect big names.

 

but it is a very mountable set!

[Curran]

  On 2/8/2018 at 3:28 PM, Stephen said:

I always expect gimei with Teruhide,

 

Yeah, looking at the signature without even opening the books- I think gimei.

Still, a beautiful set I wouldn't mind owning.

 

This brutal stock market selloff is making sure I won't be spending money any time soon. Oh well.

[TETSUGENDO]

I think we are looking at Teruhide interpreted through later 19th century eyes..... It is still a very attractive set.  If the piece in question is a decorative applique for the saya why not use the old catchall phrase kanamono?

 

-StevenK

[Guido]

  On 2/8/2018 at 7:36 PM, TETSUGENDO said:

... why not use the old catchall phrase kanamono?

 

The seller does something like that, calling it 鞘飾り sayakazari, i.e. saya decoration. However, using the correct terminology enhances our understanding and knowledge of the subject of our studies - for those who care, that is.

[Stephen]

And I have learned how to describe my saya with correct terminology

 

Sagurigane in Cicada motif

 

 

Got to love NMB!

 

[Bugyotsuji]

Here are some examples for the honourable members.

[JohnTo]

I've seen a few certificated Teruhide fuchi/kashira waves in the London auctions over the years.  The waves have always been deeply and under cut.  These appear to be too flat and lack that 3-D effect.  Nice set, but I doubt that they are Teruhide works.

 

Regards, John

 

As an afterthought, I've attached pics of my Teruhide copies.  Unusually they are not signed Teruhide, but Matsushiate (never found out who he was).  Point is, that some of the Teruhide fuchi/kashira were dead ringers for this set, so gives a better idea of what I mean by 3-D

[Stephen]

what do we think of these

 

http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/m240441530

[Stephen]

[Nikanoru]

  On 2/13/2018 at 12:52 PM, Stephen said:

what do we think of these

 

http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/m240441530

 

Gimei, workmanship is fine

[Nikanoru]

  On 2/13/2018 at 10:29 AM, JohnTo said:

Unusually they are not signed Teruhide, but Matsushiate (never found out who he was).

 

John, your fk is signed "Shōkatei + kaō" (松下亭)

This name was used by various Goto artists (ruled out) and members of the Nakagami/Otsuki and Kazutsura schools.

Thus, I see few options here:

- it's one of the adopted sons or students, and there were quite a few, of Nakagami Motohiro (H 05869.0), who's go was "Shōkatei", since strokes and kao are put differently but quite close (see example of Motohiro signature)

- it's someone related to Ogawa Tomotsune (H 10154.0), who's go was also "Shōkatei" with a kao in "Nagatsune" style, see example

Btw, there is a theory that Tomotsune was himself a student of Motohiro since he signed "Shōkatei Motohiro".

- it's a collective image of a guy under H 08748.0 entry. His kao is different from others who signed "Shōkatei".

 

Personally, I choose Nakagami family...