Tachishi Tsuba

[rkg]

Hi,

 

I've been busy (re) shooting stuff, and here's another new  piece you might find interesting.

 

 

the piece is made from brass (obviously), and measures 78.5mm (H) X 74.3mm (W) X 3.68mm (T, web, measured at nakago ana), 5.59mm (T, max).  The surface treatment on the web appears to be irregular sized nananko.

 

The piece has old T.K. papers  to tachishi, though I still don't have a good feeling for what the actual distinction is between the tachi-shi bin and the tachi-kanagu-shi bin - the books say the tachishi guy did the prep work for the tachi-kanagu-shi tsuba maker, but both also just made pieces - whaaaaat?.......

 

Anyway, I'd guess its Momoyama to early edo period work, but what do I know....

 

Enjoy,

rkg

(Richard George)

 

 

[christianmalterre]

you already do know a very lot!

 

very good and nice exemplaire! #

 

me

[John A Stuart]

Do not the hitsu preclude this being a tsuba for a tachi? Tachishi and Kanaguchishi. I must confess, I see no distinction. John

[Iekatsu]

The Hitsu ana could be later additions, they cut through the Nananko, at least cut after the plate was decorated. A nice piece, id say Momoyama/early Edo.

[christianmalterre]

not early.....

rather mid to latter Edo -

 

but! well! done!

 

me

[nagamaki - Franco]

Hello,

 

Please forgive my lack of understanding, but I'm a bit confused by the use of the term nanako vs ishimei to describe the surface treatment of this tsuba. What am I missing?

 

Thank you.

[rkg]

Franco,

that's a fair question I think -it could well be some ishime variant, I just don't recall one that looks like this/it just doesn't look stone like to me really...  Anybody out there know what it -really should be called?

thx,

rkg

(Richard George)

Hello,

 

Please forgive my lack of understanding, but I'm a bit confused by the use of the term nanako vs ishimei to describe the surface treatment of this tsuba. What am I missing?

 

Thank you.

[nagamaki - Franco]

Hello Richard,

 

Found this, see pages 138 -139 https://books.google.com/books?id=ew-QBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=ishime+variant&source=bl&ots=lk_deltdQh&sig=LR8h4xhLE2JOWbWereEae1GFFyw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6-LiPwdTYAhWlmeAKHQfNCmQQ6AEINjAG#v=onepage&q=ishime%20variant&f=false

 

.... thank you, Markus.

[Iekatsu]

not early.....

rather mid to latter Edo -

 

but! well! done!

 

me

What makes you think Mid-late Edo?

[Alan Morton]

Christian Do you think Norisuke family?

[rkg]

Markus,

Thanks for taking the time to reply!  Grrr - I even have this book of yours....  so it should be some kind of ishime - do you have an idea which one it should be?  Interesting that those little blossom shaped punch marks would apparently also classify...

 

 

Best,

 

rkg

(Richard George)

 

Hello Richard,

 

Found this, see pages 138 -139 https://books.google.com/books?id=ew-QBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=ishime+variant&source=bl&ots=lk_deltdQh&sig=LR8h4xhLE2JOWbWereEae1GFFyw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6-LiPwdTYAhWlmeAKHQfNCmQQ6AEINjAG#v=onepage&q=ishime%20variant&f=false

 

.... thank you, Markus.

[nagamaki - Franco]

Hello,

 

Grrr is right, rkg, I used to know what all the different ishime were, I had them all written down but that list died with 90's gateway. 

Edited January 15, 2018 by nagamaki - Franco

[rkg]

Christian,

 

I have to disagree on the age.  Its older than that (the brass corrosion deposits in the inome holes are original and really thick - The more I study it, the more I wonder if its even as late as Momoyama).  And yeah, the hitsu/plugs were added later.

 

Best,

rkg

(Richard George)

What makes you think Mid-late Edo?

[Iekatsu]

Its unlikely to date before Momoyama/early Edo, Shinchu was an expensive material (mostly imported from china), before Momoyama it is generally only seen in Fukurin and Zogan.