Kirikomi On Nakago

[Baka Gaijin]

Good morning all.,

 

I wondered if anyone has encountered Kirikomi 切り込み  on the Nakago?

 

Observing that Hyoho Taisha Ryu, one of the Koryu demonstrating at the Meiji Jingu Embu use the Tsuka to both block an attack and sweep an opponent's sword away.

 

Viz:  at 3.12, 7.27 & 7.55 

 

 

 

[PNSSHOGUN]

I've honestly only seen it on O-suriage swords.

[Curran]

I've honestly only seen it on O-suriage swords.

 

Lol.

Iswydt.

[Baka Gaijin]

 

But seriously Chaps, it seems many of the major Ryuha adopted methods of defence using the Tsuka to both absorb an attack and deflect a cut away from the body line .

 

The origins of the Ryuha were based, alledgedly, upon practical experience.

 

Ipso Facto, where are the examples of Kirikomi upon Nakago?

[Curran]

Viz:  at 3.12, 7.27 & 7.55

 

Hi Malcolm:

 

3.12:   looked more to me like a tsuba+blade bind, as in most western fencing.

7.27:   I don't know what to make of that. Whether a sort of disarm, or wishful thinking- I can't take it seriously from a leverage, momentum, or flat or mune part of the blade as serious in a real fight other than as a failure to sheer off opponents fingers.

7.55:  if it works, it works. I personally don't see the need to block that particular swing.

 

Cuts on tsuka (nakago) certainly exist, but good luck proving it.

There are so many other things that sort of damage on a nakago could be.

[Baka Gaijin]

Thank You Curran.

[Ken-Hawaii]

I agree with Curran. I train in two iaido ryuha, & their kata just don't appear tremendously practical. Of course, no iaidoka really believes that any other ryuha is practical, but I've also taught European fencing for more than  50 years, & the positioning of the bokken looks artificial, & not something I would do in battle. One thing that makes me shudder is the opening of their hands after each swing, a definite no-no in the real world, as you'd have to reestablish correct hasuji each time you did that.

[Baka Gaijin]

Thank you Ken.

[Curran]

Ken has 2x the experience I have both in eastern and western styles.

If he backs up what I wrote, I feel better for it. I have not 'scrimmaged' eastern or western styles for over 10 years.

I miss the hell out of it.

[Ken-Hawaii]

What's stopping you, Curran?? It's movement that keeps us going (even if/when it hurts)!!

[Baka Gaijin]

C'mon Curran get in the Dojo again, the only thing that stops us is us.

 

If you feel the itch......

 

Start of slow maybe and wave a bokuto about where no one can observe.

 

10 suburi once a day adds up to 3650 in a year...........