Nbthk Papers

[md02geist]

Anyone like to verify the translation here? Thanks!

[Mark]

is there something to verify?  I see Kane____?  late Seki

[md02geist]

is there something to verify?  I see Kane____?  late Seki

 

 

Yes, you're verifying what I have already.

 

More, would love feedback on the Kane ___ part.

[seattle1]

Hello:

 Not quite sure what you are asking, but " Kane (then indication of a missing or unreadable kanji)", then "Late Seki".

 Arnold F.

[Ray Singer]

I will provide a bit of color. There was a discussion about this kanteisho elsewhere with differing opinions on what the NBTHK was saying. Does it indicate that they are simply saying it is Sue-Seki and not making any judgement on the mei's authenticity, or do they regard the partial mei as shoshin but feel unable to make an attribution to a specific Sue-Seki smith? I have my own opinion but will sit back for others to weigh in.

[Mark]

i think they are saying "we can see/read the Kane kanji but can't make out the second kanji, but the blade is clearly late Seki"

[paulb]

has anyone asked them the question?

we spend a lot of time trying to understand what they mean but never seem to ask them to explain. They may not but asking the question doesnt cost anything

[Jussi Ekholm]

Never asked from the Japanese HQ but for me the assumption has always been that if a mei is partially unreadable like here they will indicate further information in brackets (smith, school etc.). In some cases the mei has been attributed to certain smith if it fits but there are so many Kane x smiths working so I think Sue-Seki is very reasonable attribution if the sword does not show very identifiable characteristics.

 

Here is a Hozon yari where Fujiwara X Kiyo gets den Takada attribution indicating they are meaning the spear is Fujiwara Takada but are not guessing the X Kiyo smith. http://www.e-sword.jp/yari/1410-4022.htm

Here a TH example Bishu Osafune X mitsu gets Hidemitsu: http://www.shouzando.com/k-hidemitsu170409.html

I think a Juyo example here Bizen Osafune X mitsu gets Yoshimitsu (Tsuruginoya does not have picture of the paper but I believe they putting Yoshi in square indicate similar situation and as you look at mei the character is to me unreadable) : http://www.tsuruginoya.com/mn1_3/f00222.html

 

Can you show a picture of the nakago and the blade?

[SteveM]

Agree with Mark and others. 

 

Kane [illegible] 

attributed to "Sue Seki"