haroldianwatson Posted September 30, 2017 Report Posted September 30, 2017 Hi There, I posted this Katana in the Translation section for help with authentication. So far it seems to have been identified as a Fuyuhiro Saku with Shaomi Tsuba in good condition. I am an auctioneer from Ontario Canada, and this item is listed on my website for auction closing Thursday October 12th at 7PM (GMT-5). Anyone interested in bidding simply go to this website and follow the prompts. International Shipping can be arranged if you are the winning bidder: http://kwauctions.hibid.com/catalog/112683/-71---consignment-auction-thurs--oct-12--warehouse-pickup-/ Any questions feel free to email me directly at info@kwauctions.ca, any additional information (age, value, etc) would be appreciated. Best Regards, Ian Watson KW Auctions Quote
Ken-Hawaii Posted September 30, 2017 Report Posted September 30, 2017 Ian, Fuyuhiro is the tosho (smith), & saku means "made." The tsuba is Shoami, when spelled correctly. When you show the blade, what buyers want to see are the BLADE details, not everything but the blade! Speaking of which, it doesn't look shoshin (real) to me. If you're going to auction Nihonto, then you really need to spend some time understanding what you're selling. Ken 2 Quote
Brian Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 Ken, are you sure you don't want want to sentence him to 40 lashes of the whip, or maybe engage him with percussion pistols at dawn?C'mon now...you've been here for a long time. No need to be so harsh. Do we really expect an auctioneer who comes across one item to study for months before listing it?I'm very happy sellers and auctioneers find us and are willing to register in an attempt to describe their items better (and yes..make more money of course)I think you are overly harsh there. The sword is what it is. In that condition, gimei or not is irrelevant. I actually like the shape and think if it goes cheap it would be a nice sword. But that is aside...Let's be a little less "take that!" and more "thanks for asking...try this.." Ian, more pics of the blade would help. Bare blade with no fittings, and a few close ups of various areas like tip, notches, tang in full etc.Good luck, I know I wouldn't mind it if the price was ok.Ken...stand in the corner and think about what you have done. 12 Quote
Baka Gaijin Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 Just a thought, is the Kashira one of those known as Ate Gashira? It certainly looks like it could have an offensive use. Quote
haroldianwatson Posted October 2, 2017 Author Report Posted October 2, 2017 Thanks for your understanding as this is the first Katana I've come across as an auctioneer. I would like to describe the item as accurately as possible. This was actually the 3rd board I tried joining and the only board that allowed me to register so thanks for being accessible! While determining an age or value would be great for my seller i realize that value is relative and that some buyers may not want to share their knowledge, as it is could have an upward influence on the sale price. My main concern is verifying that it is an authentic blade as I don't want to upset the winning bidder if this is indeed a fake blade. (Bidding is already at $525 CDN) Anyway, I've added more photos of the naked blade and close-ups of the tip and tang as suggested. Thank you all for your help and corrections thus far, as I've learned lots from this message board already. Cheers, Ian Quote
Mark Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 it is a real Japanese sword not modern fake. That said it seems low quality (way the hi are cut, tsuba). I like the fuchi. probably bring a fair price at auction Quote
lonely panet Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 mark the Hi and the whole sword appears to have alot of meat removed from repeat polishing, compare the nakago to the habaki-moto. machi's appears to be re-done too IMHO sue koto from the over polish but the sugata makes me think shinshinto too Quote
vajo Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 I would say it is much older than shin-shinto. Nice O-Kissaki and the hamon follows in the boshi. From my little knowledge late muromachi. I like it. Quote
Stephen Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 Id put it at Osuriage by about a foot at least if not more. Mid Nanbokucho. the hi not running thru all the the nakago. Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 1:42 PM, Stephen said: Id put it at Osuriage by about a foot at least if not more. Mid Nanbokucho. the hi not running thru all the the nakago. The hi not running all the way thru the nakago, hmmm. Quote
Stephen Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 Sorry didnt have time to look it up..Kaki -nagashi, is the feeling, doesn't mean im right. Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 Hi Stephen, On 10/3/2017 at 6:31 PM, Stephen said: 1. Sorry didnt have time to look it up..Kaki -nagashi, 2. is the feeling 1. No worries, thanks. 2. Looks to me like the hi does run all the way through, even though it tapers off due to curvature. also, It could be as late as early Muromachi. Quote
lonely panet Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 so UBU?? tori sori o kissaki maybe gunome?? unokubi zukuri?? tradition?? mino/echizen a real guess as I have no books Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 9:01 PM, Hamfish said: so UBU?? tradition?? mino/echizen a real guess as I have no books 1. O suriage 2. no books! Quote
J Reid Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 Agreed.. O-Suriage by about a foot. The hi in Nakago show that the blade had decent saki-sori. Boshi is koto. I strongly think early Muromachi mino with Gimei fuyuhiro attribution. Quote
Stephen Posted October 4, 2017 Report Posted October 4, 2017 yea it runs off now but not when Ubu was my point Quote
lonely panet Posted October 4, 2017 Report Posted October 4, 2017 I'm a bit lost, ubu or osuriage ??? Quote
Alex A Posted October 4, 2017 Report Posted October 4, 2017 I like the fuchi, spent ages looking for one like that once, never found one. Quote
vajo Posted October 5, 2017 Report Posted October 5, 2017 That is a really cool sword. The hamon ist different in all parts and looks very nice. I would like to see it polished. Quote
haroldianwatson Posted October 12, 2017 Author Report Posted October 12, 2017 The current high Bid is at $975 CDN (589 Pounds) and the auction will be closing at 7pm Eastern Time tonight (in 2.5 hours): If anyone is interested in bidding it is still open, but must be done through our auction site: https://kwauctions.hibid.com/lot/34991001/genuine-early-Japanese-katana-muromachi-era/?ref=catalog International Shipping is available. Thank you all for your help identifying this Katana! Will let you know what the winning bid is tomorrow! Ian Watson KWAuctions.ca Quote
Stephen Posted October 12, 2017 Report Posted October 12, 2017 we dont do ither one down here maybe dollars ?? 781.41 US Dollar Quote
Surfson Posted October 12, 2017 Report Posted October 12, 2017 I have to admit that I bought this blade (the auction site says I "may" have won!). I tend to agree with those that think it is nanbokucho and severely cut down, removing most of the koshizori shape. Another possibility, aside from the gimei Fuyuhiro theory, is that the mei is Sukehiro. I think I see a vertical radical in the first kanji that could make it a Suke, and there were one or two early Muromachi guys that signed that way. Anyway, I hope it's not a dog and worthy of restoration! 1 Quote
haroldianwatson Posted October 12, 2017 Author Report Posted October 12, 2017 On 10/12/2017 at 11:27 PM, Surfson said: I have to admit that I bought this blade (the auction site says I "may" have won!). I tend to agree with those that think it is nanbokucho and severely cut down, removing most of the koshizori shape. Another possibility, aside from the gimei Fuyuhiro theory, is that the mei is Sukehiro. I think I see a vertical radical in the first kanji that could make it a Suke, and there were one or two early Muromachi guys that signed that way. Anyway, I hope it's not a dog and worthy of restoration! Hi Surfson, I recognize your username from the auction site. "May Have Won" does for all intensive purposes mean that you won the item. The site for some reason only shows "outbid' or "may have won", possibly because the transaction is not finalized until I (the auctioneer) send out the invoices after the auction close. Either way Congratulations! And i'll be in touch via email with shipping details. Ian KW Auctions Quote
Brian Posted October 13, 2017 Report Posted October 13, 2017 Damn, missed it. I would have liked to take a chance on it too. Quote
Bazza Posted October 13, 2017 Report Posted October 13, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 2:22 AM, Hamfish said: ... but the sugata makes me think shinshinto too Especially with the o-kissaki... BaZZa. Quote
Stephen Posted October 13, 2017 Report Posted October 13, 2017 May the roll of the dice be 7 or 11. Hope im around to see this done!! Quote
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