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Bruno Mentor

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Hi guys,

 

I can not remember the name of an experimental type of high end showato made by a Japanese Doctor in a steel laboratory. Not a lot were forged, they were well made and possibly considered as gendai-to. They are more or less in the same line of Mantetsu-to and Gunsui-to.

 

Any idea? Thanks! :bowdown:

Bruno Mentor

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Sorry guys not Yasuki.

 

Maybe Georger Trotter could remember the name as we discussed these swords in the past. George if you read this message...  ;-)

paul griff Rising Star

paul griff

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Hello Bruno,

Is it the "Shinbu-to" made by the Toyo - Hamono Co Ltd...?These we laboratory designed for use in very cold conditions...You will find some details on Ohmura - study net....I have one of these swords so if you need any more information or photo's let me know...

Regards,

Paul.

paul griff Rising Star

paul griff

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Hello again Bruno,

Sorry,forgot to add it was Dr Kotaro Honda,a world famous inventor of "Honda Steel" alongside Seijuro Masahide who in October 1939 succeeded to make the sword...

Regards,

Paul...

paul griff Rising Star

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                     Nothing on the tang about special steel..

         Bruno,

                   No problem,some photo's attached.        

                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                            Paul..

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Bruno Mentor

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Maybe I mixing 2 swords : Gunsui-to and a great sword posted few years ago by George Trotter signed "Oite Minami Shinshu Daitoto Ju Nin Seisui Tsukuru Kore" .

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george trotter Grand Master

george trotter

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Hi Bruno,

Just saw this post...no, not the same mei as Seisui (Seisui signed in reisho script (much more "scholarly" than this mei).

I get the feeling I have seen this mei before but sorry, I can't remember the post now.

 

The two characters (katanamei) can be read Toshitake...or Nobutake...(the first can also be read Shin, Furu, Furi). I checked the books and cannot find the first character in any swordsmiths name, so, sorry, I can't help.

The long inscription seems to start with a lucky name   " _   _   maru"  followed by a company or association name.

 

Sorry, can't be more helpful. This is one for Morita sensei.

Regards,

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k morita Grand Master

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Hi,

 

Dr.Honda Kotaro -----a professor of TOHOKU UNIVERSITY.
and his student(sword smith) Aoyama Masahide(青山正秀).

They made "Kinken To" a little number.

 

They?

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george trotter Grand Master

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Yes,

Paul is right (didn't read his post properly), It is Shinbu To. The two large kanji say ShinBu (a slogan which means "brandish (your) bravery" or "brandish (this sword) bravely").

Regards,

Bruno Mentor

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Yes in fact I think it is a Shinbu To. Thanks to all who helped! 

 

It was few years ago when I saw it so could not remember his name. As Gunsui to were made by the electric engineer Takeo Myagushi, I may mixed up with the Dr Honda Kotaro.

 

My memory is playing tricks on me!

 

Thanks again

Bruno Mentor

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Hi,

 

Dr.Honda Kotaro -----a professor of TOHOKU UNIVERSITY.

and his student(sword smith) Aoyama Masahide(青山正秀).

They made "Kinken To" a little number.

 

They?

Morita san,

 

Thanks for the help.

 

"Kinken To" are the same as Shinbu To?

Bruno Mentor

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Yes,

Paul is right (didn't read his post properly), It is Shinbu To. The two large kanji say ShinBu (a slogan which means "brandish (your) bravery" or "brandish (this sword) bravely").

Regards,

Thanks a lot George and Paul.

 

Are Shinbu To considered gendai To (true nihonto)?

Bruno Mentor

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If they are made with modern steel they are not generally considered gendaito. 

Thanks John. Very likely you are right, however Mikasa To are considered gendaito hence my question.

 

Also I have been told that if the sword is made in the traditional way, then the material used is of second importance, and it is considered as a true nihonto.

 

But I don't think it is the case with Shinbu To and Gunsui To.

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Kiipu Grand Master

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On 6/7/2017 at 12:18 PM, paul griff said:

Hello Charlie, nothing on the tang about special steel.  Bruno, no problem, some photo's attached.

 

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Paul, if you still own this sword, what is the serial number on the nakago mune?  Does anyone know if this is normal for these to be serialized like this?

 

The markings on the nakago are as follows.

Nakago Reverse

振武 = shinbu

Nakago Obverse

東洋刃物株式会社作 = Tōyō Hamono Kabushiki Kaisha saku = Made by Tōyō Knife Co., Ltd.

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paul griff Rising Star

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Hello Thomas,

                         I still have it and the number is 510.

                                                                                       Regards,

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BANGBANGSAN Veteran

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3 hours ago, paul griff said:

Hello Thomas,

                         I still have it and the number is 510.

                                                                                       Regards,

                                                                                                      Paul

Paul

Love your Shinbu-To

paul griff Rising Star

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Hello,

         Its a pleasure Thomas and still looking out Trystan....Bruce , all of the fittings have matching numbers including the locking catch....I only just noticed the nakago has two letters stamped on it as well as being numbered...The saya does not have any numbers or letters on it..

Regards,

               Paul..

 

 

 

 

 

 

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BANGBANGSAN Veteran

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1 hour ago, paul griff said:

Hello,

         Its a pleasure Thomas and still looking out Trystan....Bruce , all of the fittings have matching numbers including the locking catch....I only just noticed the nakago has two letters stamped on it as well as being numbered...The saya does not have any numbers or letters on it..

Regards,

               Paul..

Paul

I'm still searching and see if another one shows up. You know who to contact if you decided to part with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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