What Do You Call...?

[Ken-Hawaii]

Okay, a daisho is a daito + shoto, but what do you call it when you have a katana + wakizashi + tanto, all papered, & all from the same tosho? Daishosho? 

 

Ken

 

[Bugyotsuji]

A cool thing to have?

 

"Call it", ...from the point of view of the wearer, or the smith?

 

In the cartoon One Piece they talk about Santo-Ryu 三刀流...

[Ken-Hawaii]

Yeah, no argument there, Piers! What is it called from the viewpoint of the current owner, so I can tell him what he has? Not familiar with the cartoon.

 

Ken

 

[Jean]

In fact, Ken, it depends on these swords being papered on the same kanteisho or having the same en suite Koshirae. If not they are only three swords made by the same smith

[Bugyotsuji]

You could describe them like that, "Dou-Toushou no San-To Hitozoroi." 同刀匠の三刀一揃い

= A set of three blades by the same smith.

 

But as there is probably no subconscious understanding or set phrase for it, then explanation mode all the way. Even then it does not make clear 'one of each different size'...

[Ken-Hawaii]

Definitely different kanteisho, Jean, & all in shirasaya. So there's no specific moniker designation for three blades, while there is for two...odd.

 

Ken

[Ken-Hawaii]

Yup, that's pretty literal, Piers. How did the term "shoto" evolve to mean a wakizashi, while there's no equivalent name for a tanto? In martial arts, a sho-to is just a shorter blade, & could be either wakizashi or tanto. And why not ko-to? Dai-sho-ko? My apologies if I've said something obscene.

 

Ken

 

[nagamaki - Franco]

Okay, a daisho is a daito + shoto, but what do you call it when you have a katana + wakizashi + tanto, all papered, & all from the same tosho? Daishosho? 

 

Ken

 

 

 

 

It's called a  katana + wakizashi + tanto, all papered, & all from the same tosho.

[Bugyotsuji]

Ken, 小 means small and can be read as Ko or Sho- . When the samurai started wearing both a large and a lesser large sword, the descriptive phrase 'Daisho' Large & Small was born. 

 

The short dagger was always a different kettle of fish and was called Tan 短 meaning really short, whichever way you cut the cake.

[Geraint]

I'd call it a collection.

[Ken-Hawaii]

Thanks, Piers. At least now I know that there's no catch-all term for the three blades, & will let my buddy know.

 

Ken

 

[SwordGuyJoe]

A tri-sho

[PhoenixDude]

Money. 

[Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini]

Wonder if anybody has pictures of three saya "en suite"  (e.g. katana wakizashi anf tanto) that hold three blades by the same Smith.. I personally can't remember to have seen such a thing so far not even in picture... 

[Stephen]

Joe has it, What i always called the three in display 

[Vermithrax16]

Money. 

Beat me to it!

[PNSSHOGUN]

Japanese Antique Sharksin Last Samurai Samurai Sword Set Katana With Stand

 

 

;-)

[Bugyotsuji]

Correction.

 

A J friend just told me that Daisho means simply two blades pushed into your obi, the Dai being your main blade, but the little sho support blade can be either a Wakizashi or Tanto.

[Jean]

Totally agreed from the start Piers. In this topic, we are talking about modern meaning of Daisho as NBTHK papers them, blades or Koshirae.

 

I have read somewhere that a new samurai was offered by his Lord his short sword, upto him to get the long one. Useless to say that seldom blades or koshirae were matches but they were daisho

[Bugyotsuji]

Thanks for the info, Jean.

 

For Ken. In Three-blade fighting style, in "One Piece" Zoro apparently carries the third blade in his mouth. See end of first paragraph.

 

Quote: "Zoro is uniquely known as an expert of Santōryū (Three Sword Style), where he wields a third sword with his mouth in combat. Throughout the series, his primary sword is Wado Ichimonji, a sword that he inherited from a childhood friend, and is frequently the sword that he wields in his mouth."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roronoa_Zoro

 

For the cartoon background:

,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Piece