USMC-LCPL Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Hello NMB, I have in my possession a papered Wakizashi that I recently had polished. The Polisher, Bob Benson, seemed to feel that the papers were somewhat off. Now that the grain is fully visible, and the hamon has been brought out, could it be that another Shinsa is in order? What school and period do you all think this Wakizashi is? I have the papers here, but I'd rather not bias your conclusions. EDIT: New pics are UP! Thanks for the help everyone! Quote
Stephen Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 A did you just have a touch up polish? pix are very blurry, hada is not visible, hamon looks Mino...im sure Bob would have told you what he thinks it is, did he not? Quote
USMC-LCPL Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 Yes he did. He thought it was Mino, late 1500's. That's over 200 years off of the paper date though, and I was curious if anyone else agreed/disagreed. Yes it was a finish polish, but the pic blurriness is due to my inability to control photoshop. I'm trying to size down the photos right now, they look much clearer on my comp screen than they do when I post them. Give me a bit and I'll get you something sharper... Quote
Jean Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 I fully agree with Stephen (till new pictures less blurry), i shall place it (from the nakago) late late Muromachi circa Tensho. Quote
Guest Nanshoku-Samurai Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 If Bob says it is Mino Muromachi than it is near 100% Mino Muromachi. Bob Benson is maybe the most knowledgeable person in the USA to judge a sword. In my cheap oppinon I would also say Mino and have dated it from around 1550 - 1650. But I can't see that it would be pre Muromachi. What do you papers suggest? Max Quote
USMC-LCPL Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Posted March 13, 2008 Better pictures are up. @ Samurai: They suggest Mino 1730. Quote
AndreasU Posted March 13, 2008 Report Posted March 13, 2008 Funny that Bob could "repair" the broken Kissaki with just a touchup polish... And he could exactly reshape it the way I did ..... Not to blame Bob! I think he really did a touchup, the rest is left under circuumstances.... Quote
Stephen Posted March 13, 2008 Report Posted March 13, 2008 whats the link? who were the papers by? lets not go down that road you guys were on before. please Quote
Jean Posted March 13, 2008 Report Posted March 13, 2008 I missed a step : Funny that Bob could "repair" the broken Kissaki with just a touchup polish...And he could exactly reshape it the way I did ..... Sorry but I have not seen it mentionned in USMC-LCPL post I have only read of a papered wakizashi being polished ... Quote
USMC-LCPL Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Posted March 13, 2008 lets not go down that road you guys were on before. please Too late Stephen. This guy called down the thunder, and now he's got the boom. Funny that Bob could "repair" the broken Kissaki with just a touchup polish...And he could exactly reshape it the way I did ..... Not to blame Bob! I think he really did a touchup, the rest is left under circuumstances.... Actually I payed Bob Benson 350 USD to fix *deleted by Admin* Quote
Brian Posted March 13, 2008 Report Posted March 13, 2008 Take it to pm. Not another word on that subject of the broken kissaki here again. We already had several pages on it before. Subject is c-l-o-s-e-d Brian Quote
USMC-LCPL Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Posted March 13, 2008 whats the link? who were the papers by?The papers are Yoshikawa (sp.) Scored a 72 at a New York Shinsa 2 years ago. Trying to get you a pic, but it's dark right now (bunkmate's asleep.) I'll get it in tomorrow. Quote
Brian Posted March 13, 2008 Report Posted March 13, 2008 The next word on the kissaki controversy from anyone will lead to a warning or a ban. I am serious about this. Brian Quote
USMC-LCPL Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Posted March 13, 2008 My new pictures are crisper and clearer, no? Do they shed any light? Quote
Stephen Posted March 13, 2008 Report Posted March 13, 2008 Ascher not sure what your after, the pix look the same, maybe its a cookie thing...anyway you know what Bob told you, id go with that. Sometimes (and this is a big can of worms) shinsa's will down the age to be on the safe side. If you belive in your wak id have a full polish and sent to NBTHK. With all that going on in the world we dont need discontent on the board. We here on the board come together from all over the world for the our love of one subject Nihonto. If only the waring nations could find a common thread. Peace. Quote
Brian Posted March 13, 2008 Report Posted March 13, 2008 Pics look the same to me too. Thought it was a cached images thing maybe, but they are hosted on Photobucket, so can't be. Upload the new pics there under new filenames maybe? Brian Quote
AndreasU Posted March 13, 2008 Report Posted March 13, 2008 Then I have to apologize and say sorry! Quote
mike yeon Posted March 26, 2008 Report Posted March 26, 2008 I may be late to the party but I just saw this thread. I'm glad that Bob suspected the blade is older. When the blade was papered, a bunch of the NY Club members commented that it's likely older than the shinsa-in declared it to be. Someone mentioned that sensei had a tendency to grade mumei blades as being "younger". There was a mino Kanenaga that lived during Kyoho, but there are a handful of better known Kanenaga that lived during the muromachi period. The one thing that bugged me was that the nakago-ana was not drilled straight through as you'd expect from a 18th century blade. Definitely looked koto. I'll check Malcom Cox's book on Mino swords for you. I remember seeing a page or 2 on this line of smiths. In anycase, I'm glad someone decided to restore this blade. I hope you enjoy it. mike Quote
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