Jcstroud Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 Is it possible that the different anchor stamps could indicate different sources of production? Such as Takayama,Seki,Tenshozan ? My reasoning is if you notice Masanao,Kanenao,and Toyosuke seem to have the same 8mm stamp in the same location if my memory serves me correctly. PS hey guys been a while hope you are all well. JOHN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted October 31 Author Report Share Posted October 31 Nice to see you again, too, John! Your idea is possible. I had the vague theory that the large was from post-war Tenshozan, while the small was from wartime Toyokawa. However, we (and I mean @Kiipu, @BANGBANGSAN, and @mecox) are trying to research the challenging idea that Toyokawa was not involved in making kaigunto at all and the circled anchor was a broad-based Navy stamp used by other/all Naval Arsenals. So, much work to be done on the Navy side of the stamping house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcstroud Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 Perhaps by grouping swords by stamp size,and also by swordsmiths known locations.In combination with physical traits such as paint color could help pin down location of fabrication.Such as Takayama for example.Well thats my 2 cents worth for now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted November 1 Author Report Share Posted November 1 20 minutes ago, Jcstroud said: Perhaps by grouping swords by stamp size,and also by swordsmiths known locations.In combination with physical traits such as paint color could help pin down location of fabrication.Such as Takayama for example.Well thats my 2 cents worth for now. I'll have a look through my files, John. Been needing a project to chase. I haven't spent much time on the kaigunto. There's just not as many to sample, and they are mostly undated, so data is harder to build. But I'll have a look. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John C Posted November 2 Report Share Posted November 2 11 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said: There's just not as many to sample, Not to sound morbid, but is that because they "went down with the ship" or because there were simply fewer Naval officers? John C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted November 2 Author Report Share Posted November 2 12 hours ago, John C said: is that because Checking Wikipedia, they estimate that at the end of the war the Navy had 1.66 million personnel (don't know the percentage of officers) vs 5.4 million for the Army. So right away, you can see there would be four times as many army gunto as navy. Then, like you say, every ship that went down carried it's officers and kaigunto with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcstroud Posted November 4 Report Share Posted November 4 On 10/31/2024 at 2:23 PM, Jcstroud said: ? My reasoning is if you notice Masanao,Kanenao,and Toyosuke seem to have the same 8mm stamp in the same location if I reread my notes and it was the4mm stamp that was used predominantly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcstroud Posted Friday at 05:00 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 05:00 PM I am going to go out on a limb on this comment: the souvenir swords with a sheared off flat cut nakago were likely from Takayama forge and were originally longer training swords for Toyama training camp and were made to takayamas specifications then later cut under the direction of Kazuiichi Hattori. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted Saturday at 10:43 PM Author Report Share Posted Saturday at 10:43 PM Interesting idea, John. Certainly possible! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcstroud Posted Monday at 01:43 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 01:43 AM Well one thing for sure a hack saw wont do nothing to that metal .that is some tough stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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