Same request, give me your opinion

[fliwis]

Hi,dear mates, what is the maximum price for this Katana,following the only information I could get : KATANA with NBTHK TOKUBETSU Paper

Mei : Sukemitsu (1555) 備州長船ä½ç¥å…‰

School: Bizen Osafune

Period: Momoyama, Muromachi

Differentially hardened carbon steel gr 660

nagasa 69,5 cm

thickness 7 mm

Bishu Osafune ju Sukemitsu

Koto, Bizen no kuni (Koji:1555)

Thanks again...All estimation or advise will be welcome. Good week-end for everyone...fliwis

[Stephen]

same request, is this on Ebay?

[Stephen]

Thanks to Nobody i have the link, any of our members know this seller?

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... otohosting

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

 

Sue-Bizen nakago shape?

[zuiho]

The hamon in the kissaki comes awfully close to the edge. Indicates

reshaping to me but not uncommon on koto bades, of course.

The fuchi kashira and tsuba are nothing special to me.

 

One can find better packages for less money than the "buy it now"

price.

However, you may value the signature more than I do.

 

William G.

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

The signature is Bishu Osafune ju Sukemitsu 備州長船ä½ç¥å…‰

 

According Jean (and some others) who is a specialist of Sue-Bizen, this Blade is gimei at 99%

 

So, a blade which can be gimei more a nakago which don't match =

[John A Stuart]

Hi, A papered blade, gimei? Can't see the papers well in the pic, but, if gimei how was it papered? Has someone said the papers are nisemono? John

[Mark]

I have seen swords with OLD NBTHK papers that the museum say today will not paper (i.e. the judgement was in error for some reason)........ That is one reason they changed to the new papers.

[fliwis]

Hi stephen and all others who helped by answering. The sword come from an italian dealer antiquity,he dropped the price from 7 to 5000 euros. He bought it at the world of samurai -

Number of the sword KA1183...Thank you all for your help...

wilfrid

[Jean]

Unfortunately, there is no worksheet from the seller on this blade

 

For example, here is a link for a blade dated 1554 :

 

http://www.aoi-art.com/sword/sale/07192.html

 

As stated by Jacques, Have a look at the Nakago (length, Jiri), have a look at the sori which does not match at all the existing one at this period.

 

Just a precision, a mei beginning by "Bishu Osafune Ju ..." are not frequent at all but can exist at the opposite of "Bizen Kuni Osafune Ju ..." which are gimei at 99%, but this mei linked to Nakago/sori as was saying Jacques .........

[kitsune]

This paper is not tokubetsu hozon but tokubetsu kicho. This is not the same.

In addition, many items were purchased on Ebay at prices much lower.

[John A Stuart]

I can't see the date, or much else but,except for a brief period where some outside factor made some papers suspect, were not the Kicho papers the only ones available from outside Japan shinsa? This confused me always as certain old papers are highly regarded. Does anyone really have a good handle on this? John

[Jean]

Hi John,

 

http://www.nihontocraft.com/japanese_sw ... se_sword_2

 

some explanations

[John A Stuart]

Hi Jean, I've read that article and it is a good one. I have some of those papers. I do not understand why these papers, in this case, are suspect. The date seems a touch early for this sugata but not outside the realm of possibility for Momoyama sugata. Likewise the nakago. I will not comment on the mei, not competent enough. What's the problem here? John

[Jean]

John,

 

I am not competent enough to say if the kanteisho is good or not. System changed because of abuses that is sure, that is all we can say.

 

I don't know who have done the kantei (Nengo), but it is not Koji but rather Tensho, we are out of the great sue koto period for Bizen.

 

This blade has a Kanbun sori (very shallow). Nobody has talked about the hada, tell me what you see? We are not in the Bizen hada. Now, where are the ko-ashi and yo, I can see on a picture something like ara nie.

 

On whole, perhaps sho-shin but totally atypical for a sue koto Bizen blade (the one that everybody is looking after as the one in my above link), not worth 7000 Euros (10 500 $) IMHO

 

By the way second Sukemitsu blade discussed here :

 

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2531

[John A Stuart]

Hi Jean, I was concerned with the reasons why the origami was suspect. I think this is just a kazuuchimono with nakirishimei. This would not be considered gimei then? in this case. Not sure how this would impact shinsa. I am not arguing the attributes of the sword. I just want to understand how reliable these papers may be since I have such and had relied on them. John

[Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini]

Hi stephen and all others who helped by answering. The sword come from an italian dealer antiquity,he dropped the price from 7 to 5000 euros. He bought it at the world of samurai -

Number of the sword KA1183...Thank you all for your help...

wilfrid

 

The original source :

 

http://www.worldofsamurai.com/catalog/d ... ame=Katana