Marius Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 Definitely one of the fattest tsuba ever This baby is really big and fat. 9.4 x 9.3 x 0.9 cm at mimi. It is heavy, too with its 1.03 lbs (or 0.47 kg) Slighly dished, remnants of black laquer and delicate punchings on the surface. Don't ask me how it was used. I don't know if that's a katana or a tachi tsuba. One thing is sure - it was not mounted on a gunto A rare tsuba, a cornerstone of a collection and a great conversation starter. I wonder what the NBTHK would say? Probabaly... "Tetsu tsuba" In two pics you will see it next to a normal sized katana tsuba. $495 incl. shipping, PP/bank fees inclusive. This is a "one in a lifetime" tsuba. Ichi-go ichi-e if you will Quote
christianmalterre Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 a real tart! this time! this guard is very interesting indeed! ! funny! Christian Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted February 4, 2017 Report Posted February 4, 2017 As we are not supposed to really comment on sales, would it be possible to post an image or 2 of this tsuba along with the measurements for discussion after the sales Marius? This is of course if the new owner will also agree on it too. I had that thought immidiately when seeing this rare piece, like you said this is really a conversation starter. Quote
dominnimod Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 As we are not supposed to really comment on sales, would it be possible to post an image or 2 of this tsuba along with the measurements for discussion after the sales Marius? This is of course if the new owner will also agree on it too. I had that thought immidiately when seeing this rare piece, like you said this is really a conversation starter. Maybe it could be an attempt to make an extremely long sword functional, taking down the point of balance? Quote
Thierry BERNARD Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 I own this one 80.63 mm x 81.90 mm x 11.93 mm thick 419 grams near 1 lbs Quote
Greg F Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 Thierry that Tsuba is awesome! What a beast. Thanks for sharing. Greg Quote
Marius Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 Justr to inform all that the tsuba has SOLD. I guess the new owner might want to discuss it here. He has my permission to use my pictures as he sees fit. Quote
Thierry BERNARD Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 Thierry that Tsuba is awesome! What a beast. Thanks for sharing. Greg I'm not sure why it is so huge!!! The seller said it was used for cutting tests, but I'm not really convinced 1 Quote
Thierry BERNARD Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 another of my monster tsuba 140 mm x 130 mm 490g I think this one was an offering to a shrine or gods! 3 Quote
dominnimod Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 I'm not sure why it is so huge!!! The seller said it was used for cutting tests, but I'm not really convinced And if this super thick tsubas were part of some technic/school that involved the use of tsubas as a mace? Quote
Marius Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 Offering seems the only answer. After all, some nodachi are impossible to use (way too heavy to handle) and their koshirae are so massive as if designed for giants. Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 I was thinking tameshi-tsuba for the one that Marius was selling. As it is very plain and the weight would be comparable to those listed in Seskos Tameshigiri book. Also as the nakago-ana is not too large so I would guess it was not for really big sword. I think it would fit quite well to description of tameshi-tsuba for wakizashi. Of course this is all just arm chair speculation. Quote
Tengu1957 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 I would agree that it's possible that it may have been used for tameshi. I wondered if the small cut out would have been used for a shim to help fit the various blades in the handle. I have a large copper one that is about 400 grams that I believe was used for tameshi. No other way to get the cutting results on smaller swords. Gary Quote
Brian Posted February 10, 2017 Report Posted February 10, 2017 If the new owner is ok with discussing it, I can move it to the tosogu section. Otherwise, have to delete the sold listing.Marius, can you check with him? Quote
Toryu2020 Posted February 10, 2017 Report Posted February 10, 2017 Still waiting on delivery but If yall want to move this to Tosogu I have no problem. -t Quote
ROKUJURO Posted February 10, 2017 Report Posted February 10, 2017 As far as I know, TAMESHI-GIRI was mostly done with a special TSUKA and no TSUBA.. Quote
Tengu1957 Posted February 10, 2017 Report Posted February 10, 2017 The use of oversized Tsuba to add additional Weight to assist in the act of cutting is pretty well covered in Marcus Sesko's book on Tameshigiri. The oversized Tsuba isn't something I know much about but I have always thought of them as either Shrine dedication pieces , Tsuba for oversized shrine swords , or plain ones used for Tameshigiri. Gary Quote
Toryu2020 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Posted February 16, 2017 I willl have to read that article by Markus, The nakago ana is just too small to be useful for tameshigiri - i would expect a larger opening that could be modified with shims as suggested. This is wakizashi sized. If I had to guess I would say this was off of some Kikuchi-yari or other specialized weapon as it does not make sense as a sidearm. It is just too damn heavy... -t Quote
Bazza Posted February 17, 2017 Report Posted February 17, 2017 I would agree that it's possible that it may have been used for tameshi. I wondered if the small cut out would have been used for a shim to help fit the various blades in the handle. I have a large copper one that is about 400 grams that I believe was used for tameshi. No other way to get the cutting results on smaller swords. Gary Hi Gary, I have a strange heavy, copper tsuba weighing in at 340 grams. It has strange hitsu as well and a remnant of something that could be the remains of a lacquer coating. You show us yours and I'll show you mine!!! BaZZa. Quote
Tengu1957 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Posted February 17, 2017 I will try and find out how to upload an image so I can send it. I have been buying cutting test blades over the last couple of years so I have been trying to find out about the methods used by the testers. There seems to be a wide range of tricks used to achieve results ( weighted Tsuka's , oversized Tsuba , etc. ). I have a shodai Kato Tsunatoshi wak that TaiTai was performed by Yamada Yoshitoshi with that is on the short side so I imagine some kind of device was used to increase the cutting ability. Gary Quote
kissakai Posted February 17, 2017 Report Posted February 17, 2017 Hijack in progress How about monster thickness? No idea why it is thick It is 67 x 66 x 5.6 / mimi = 12.5mm 1 Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted February 19, 2017 Report Posted February 19, 2017 I willl have to read that article by Markus, The nakago ana is just too small to be useful for tameshigiri - i would expect a larger opening that could be modified with shims as suggested. This is wakizashi sized. If I had to guess I would say this was off of some Kikuchi-yari or other specialized weapon as it does not make sense as a sidearm. It is just too damn heavy... -t I think the wakizashi sized ana makes sense for it to be used as tameshi-tsuba for a small blade. On Markus' Tameshigiri book it says on tameshi-tsuba that for ko-wakizashi tameshi-tsuba should weigh about 560 - 750 grams and for wakizashi c. 200 - 450 grams. Of course it could have been made for totally different purpose too. Quote
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