CSM101 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Posted January 31, 2017 Dear members, in the past Jean sometimes tried to improve our knowledge by posting some photos for kantei. Now I have a photo of a blade for a kantei, too. Nagasa: 48,3 cm, motohaba: 3,0 cm, sakihaba 1,9 cm. This is a kantei for beginners. So only for member with 100 posts and less. It´s easy and it makes fun. Don´t worry, when you are wrong. This is learning by doing. Please post your answer. I will make an explanation in a few days. Have fun! Uwe G. If you want to download the photo: http://daten-transport.de/?id=AK8PCRnqWq5x Quote
ggil Posted January 31, 2017 Report Posted January 31, 2017 What happened to the kissaki? One side longer? Edit: ok Jean, it's due to photography error nothing more. 10-4 got it Quote
Jean Posted January 31, 2017 Report Posted January 31, 2017 This is neither the question nor the answer, Grant. Anyway you are disqualified having more than 100 posts. Question will come after. Your question does not alter the Kantei. Quote
CSM101 Posted February 1, 2017 Author Report Posted February 1, 2017 @ggil: Sorry, that happened after scaling, because ura was smaller than omote. My fault! In reality it is the same. The final version will be perfect then. Closing time is 02.02.2017. Hey guys, 111 views and no answer?! This is an example right from the books. Just a lttle story: at the last meeting we had a kantei and I gave an answer 800 miles from the right spot. But at least I had the guts to give an anwser. Okay, I had to cut off my left little finger as a punishment. Uwe G. Quote
vajo Posted February 1, 2017 Report Posted February 1, 2017 I would like to read a to do to make such a photo 1 Quote
Wim V Posted February 1, 2017 Report Posted February 1, 2017 OK, since I have less than 100 posts I will stick out my neck and give it a try. I did not take the time to hit my books, so going from my memory and judging by the picture and dimensions I would say: 1. Period: Muromachi 2. School: Oei-Bizen 3. Smith: Morimitsu 1 Quote
CSM101 Posted February 1, 2017 Author Report Posted February 1, 2017 I would like to read a to do to make such a photo Me, too. Quote
md02geist Posted February 1, 2017 Report Posted February 1, 2017 Muromachi Takada? (Edit: I have more than 100 posts so I guess I'm disqualified but I'm still rather new at this) Quote
Jean Posted February 1, 2017 Report Posted February 1, 2017 Two answers only !!! Come on newbies, let's have a try - Uwe was kind enough to provide a good exercize, make an effort Quote
Blagoy Posted February 1, 2017 Report Posted February 1, 2017 I will try Period: Muromachi, Bishu Osafune Sukesada? Quote
Jean Posted February 1, 2017 Report Posted February 1, 2017 There is a consensus on the period, congrats guys. 1 Quote
Chango Posted February 1, 2017 Report Posted February 1, 2017 After "consulting the tomes" I'm placing my bet on Yasumitsu (Muromachi Oei-Bizen) Second guess Morimitsu. Quote
Mark S. Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 My bid... Sue-Bizen Norimitsu. Mark S. Quote
Guest Rayhan Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 Ok I will have to say something because if I keep looking at this picture my opinion will change over and over. Muromachi At first I though yes the Takada could be possible but the Nakago having more pronounced Kuri Jiri makes me say Sue Bizen. The Hi being Maru Dome is found in both disciplines so next from the mei being hidden on both sides again Sue Bizen more than Takada Then the Itame and slight mokume - beautifully pronounced (thanks to great polish) I'm going to give it a shot and say Sue Bizen Katsumitsu On a side note for those interested in technology for taking such pictures of swords the best procedure is to actually scan the sword using an A1 scanning bed. I have attached a PDF for you. Scanning sword techniques.pdf Rayhan Perera - I have a headache now Quote
Red Sun Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 I am going to go for Yosazaemon Sukesada Katateuchi. I also now have a headache Quote
CSM101 Posted February 2, 2017 Author Report Posted February 2, 2017 Gentlemen, please come to an end. 3…….2……1. Time is up! I really thought, that this was to easy. Because the answer is: Bishu Osafune Morimitsu and Oei something So congratulations to Wim and Chango. And to all, who tried to solve the puzzle. But what are the points to come to this conclusion? Very well, it is the combination of a slim, elegant sugata, the mix of itame with mokume and the nioi-based hamon with notare, midare and choji with a tight nioiguchi. If you see something like that you almost know that this is Oei Bizen at it´s best. At this time three smith (SanMitsu) worked in Bizen – Morimitsu, Moromitsu and Yasumitsu. So, if you have chosen one of them, then I would say that you hit the pot. And whoever has a -Mitsu in his solution. Muromachi Sukesada is an elegant solution. But overall the Muromachi Sukesadas worked later and were inferior in quality. Sukesada is more robust. The tapering is not so much. Muromachi Takada is equally good. Next time, please take a closer look. The sugata for Takada is not so elegant and the hamon is not so wild but more uniform. The boshi is different, too. Fun fact: the blade once belonged to John Yumoto, author of “The Samurai Sword – A Handbook” I know, that you need to hold a sword in hand to make a proper kantei. So I have chosen a very easy example. The next kantei is open for everyone. And more puzzling. And now for something completely different: What did you win? First of all: experience. Kantei is something you have to make often. Read books and compare. Take some good swords in your hand. Learning by doing is the motto. And the next is: Each one of you, who gave his opinion got a PM with a download link for the HiRes-Version of the photo (14 MB as JPEG). Because this is Kantei! And in Kantei you can only win. I hope, you enjoyed it. I have a GlenAllachie from 1996 by now. Uwe G. 4 Quote
Jean Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 A few more explanation: https://markussesko.com/2015/04/20/kantei-1-sugata-8/ The giveaways are both the sugata as seen above in Markus'article and the hamon. This one is called koshi no hiraita, it has varied along the Muromachi period. Here is a very good aricle on the subject. https://markussesko.com/2013/03/13/a-brief-outline-of-the-changes-in-workmanship-of-the-later-bizen-tradition/ Here are some close-up pictures of my ubu Yasumitsu tachi: http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/17414-achieved-collection-gokaden/ 4 Quote
Guest Rayhan Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 Thank you for letting us try and the good advice after! Can we try another one? Quote
CSM101 Posted February 2, 2017 Author Report Posted February 2, 2017 Okay. Pick one. Left or right? Uwe G. Quote
Chango Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 Thanks Uwe! Maybe do both? I've already got a couple of guesses. Quote
CSM101 Posted February 2, 2017 Author Report Posted February 2, 2017 Of course we do both. But we start with the sword on the right. Next week or so... Uwe G. 1 Quote
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